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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    On the East Coast ?

    Workers Comp premiums also a rising (pardon the pun) issue.
    Seen renewals of late anywhere in the range of 11% (lowest) up to 20% of wages cost !
  • hashhash    7,495 posts
    Just about every major stable in WA are advertising looking to hire staff, pretty sad and frustrating time to be an owner in the industry
  • Vincent_vegaVincent_vega    463 posts
    Can i ask, what does a ground staff/stable hand earn per hour?

    What does a track work rider earn per hour (or is it per ride?)
  • hashhash    7,495 posts

    Can i ask, what does a ground staff/stable hand earn per hour?

    What does a track work rider earn per hour (or is it per ride?)




    This might help

    https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/downloadsummary/G0088061
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  • hashhash    7,495 posts

    Can i ask, what does a ground staff/stable hand earn per hour?

    What does a track work rider earn per hour (or is it per ride?)




    ground staff on average take home $500-$800 a week but depends what stable, bigger stables tend to pay more or have more hours available and generally have better horses and get the results to keep their staff around

    As for track work riders although some jocks will ride for a stable hoping or preferring it leads to race rides but most cases it doesn’t and they’re paid $20 a ride
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,660 posts
    Which faculty offers courses to become a Stablehand in WA ? Same for Stable Foreman and Trainer.Are there Tech courses or TAFE maybe or is it a under graduate University degree ?


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  • Vincent_vegaVincent_vega    463 posts
    edited August 2022
    6 hours a day at casual rate of $25 per hour = $750 for mon to friday.

    If you are lucky enough to get sunday hours, take 4 of those for an extra $200 a week.

    Total = $950 gross so net $760 odd
    (Forgive me if my calcs are wrong im not an accountant).

    Would i brave the early mornings and risk of injury from an uneducated 2yo horse for that sum of money? Looking thru the eyes of an emplyee, probably not, its a borderline call. Plenty of other things to do, safer jobs for same or more money. I used to get paid $200 a day as a plasterers labourer 15 years ago, that rate would have gone up now. Only danger was the tricks the boss would play on you.

    I also understand the cost to the business is considerably more than just the $25 per hour considering insurances and the like

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  • hashhash    7,495 posts
    Some of the kids have little to no choice though, they’re either brought up in a racing family or from similar background and it’s all they know. Crap pay and horrible hours may be the reason for lack of staff and if so pay these people what they're worth because without them everyone misses out and the poor owners are getting shafted missing out on a service they’re being charged top dollar for

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  • savethegamesavethegame    2,786 posts
    Mandatory Allocation of prizemoney under the rules of racing..
       --- Trainer   Victoria   9.8%    Nsw   9.9%
            Jockey     Vic.       4.9%    Nsw   4.95%
      Stablehand    Vic          nil.        Nsw  1.5%
    Jockey insuran.Vic         1%      Nsw    1%
    Animal Welfare  Vic.       1%      Nsw     1%

            Owner shares  Vic 83.3%  Nsw   81.65%   

     that was 2017.------see stablehand's were getting something . nsw. back then.
  • silkysilky    342 posts
    Probably over looking things here but do the trainer and jockey need a % of the winnings since they get paid for their services??

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  • savethegamesavethegame    2,786 posts
    Ask  J.J. Miller  he would say i ride alright  for 1k. but I ride alot better for 2k. Its a must.;;; Be  no  barrelng for a run when theres  not  lots to play for.

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  • hashhash    7,495 posts
    silky said:

    Probably over looking things here but do the trainer and jockey need a % of the winnings since they get paid for their services??




    They’re rewarded for their services and ability when successful but when they make a mistake or a responsible for something they costs them victory they aren’t penalised… so to level the playing field and answer your question I’d say no
  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    7,741 posts
    edited August 2022
    UK situation. Cut 300 races a year suggested but leading trainer wants to cut 300 meetings

    https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/id-cut-300-meetings-not-races-haggas-says-racecourses-need-to-take-action/572228
  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts

    6 hours a day at casual rate of $25 per hour = $750 for mon to friday.

    If you are lucky enough to get sunday hours, take 4 of those for an extra $200 a week.

    Total = $950 gross so net $760 odd
    (Forgive me if my calcs are wrong im not an accountant).

    Would i brave the early mornings and risk of injury from an uneducated 2yo horse for that sum of money? Looking thru the eyes of an emplyee, probably not, its a borderline call. Plenty of other things to do, safer jobs for same or more money. I used to get paid $200 a day as a plasterers labourer 15 years ago, that rate would have gone up now. Only danger was the tricks the boss would play on you.

    I also understand the cost to the business is considerably more than just the $25 per hour considering insurances and the like

    6Hrs a day is only 30 Hrs a week.
    38 Hrs is full time, and rate is more like $30 than $25.
    Most should be doing say 42-45 hours (easy to rack up a big day with races or trials) and those additonal hours would be paid at time and a half.
    If doing Sunday hours then that's double time (is actually hard to get staff to do Sundays though - I'm with you, I'd be all over it for double pay).
    Do get some staff who specialise in that though (eg students, who just work sundays for spending money).

    Then super at 10.5% and workers comp anything up to 20% on top yes.
  • Vincent_vegaVincent_vega    463 posts
    what im noticing with the discussion is its a niche industry, you either have it in your blood or you don't. Most people wouldn't even know this is a legitimate career choice. Cant really say i have heard anyone marketing about a job in the racing industry maybe rwwa need to take this up, see marketing for warehouse workers and courier drivers all the time.
  • spinkingspinking    3,738 posts
    Warehouse workers and couriers generally don’t get wet kicked bitten striked or charged though. Pretty hard to attract people to this industry if not born into as mentioned or have a love of the horse. Not to mention the hours
  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Definitely.
    You've got to want to do it as your primary driver.
  • Precision1Precision1    544 posts
    Tivers said:

    6 hours a day at casual rate of $25 per hour = $750 for mon to friday.

    If you are lucky enough to get sunday hours, take 4 of those for an extra $200 a week.

    Total = $950 gross so net $760 odd
    (Forgive me if my calcs are wrong im not an accountant).

    Would i brave the early mornings and risk of injury from an uneducated 2yo horse for that sum of money? Looking thru the eyes of an emplyee, probably not, its a borderline call. Plenty of other things to do, safer jobs for same or more money. I used to get paid $200 a day as a plasterers labourer 15 years ago, that rate would have gone up now. Only danger was the tricks the boss would play on you.

    I also understand the cost to the business is considerably more than just the $25 per hour considering insurances and the like

    6Hrs a day is only 30 Hrs a week.
    38 Hrs is full time, and rate is more like $30 than $25.
    Most should be doing say 42-45 hours (easy to rack up a big day with races or trials) and those additonal hours would be paid at time and a half.
    If doing Sunday hours then that's double time (is actually hard to get staff to do Sundays though - I'm with you, I'd be all over it for double pay).
    Do get some staff who specialise in that though (eg students, who just work sundays for spending money).

    Then super at 10.5% and workers comp anything up to 20% on top yes.
    Every business in the country has to pay wages, super, overtime, penalty rates.   If what you’re paying can’t get staff then you have to pay more. If that makes you unviable the you go broke.  Not sure why there’s a massive outcry for trainers now, no different to any business in any other field.  1000’s of businesses go broke in this country every year.  As far as I can see very few trainers of note have been lost due to going broke.  Quit your whinging and get on with it 

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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    edited August 2022
    I Didn’t say there was and I’m not whining.
    The question was asked what staff are getting paid and I answered the question.
    I won’t bother again.

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  • spinkingspinking    3,738 posts
    Didnt actually see Tivers statements as whinging as opposed to giving some input to qustions raised on this topic . Maybe you can enlighten us Precision as to which part of his post is whinging?

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  • hashhash    7,495 posts
    edited August 2022
    Spinking your post come re the risks these workers face. You think warehouse workers and couriers don’t face risks everyday at work.
    Silly comparison on your behalf as unless you’re sit behind a desk for a job you’re exposed to risks in the workplace 24/7…. Couriers more so than stablehand as they have to battle traffic and unpredictable idiots on the road
  • spinkingspinking    3,738 posts
    Is it really Hash. Never seen a box  kick anyone or bite them or charge them or strike them . Actually come to think about it never seen a box do any of that

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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,246 posts
    risky business working in a warehouse  :)>-
  • hashhash    7,495 posts
    edited August 2022
    spinking said:

    Is it really Hash. Never seen a box  kick anyone or bite them or charge them or strike them . Actually come to think about it never seen a box do any of that




    Papercuts can be quite nasty if not treated properly can become infected…

    Jokes aside there’s risks involved in any job hence why when being hired for a job in racing most usually says must have experience (and confidence) handling horses to minimise these incidents
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