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Monday 19/3/2013 - Head-To-Head: Miss Andretti vs Placid Ark

West Australian Racing
PCPC    2,265 posts
edited March 2013 West Australian Racing
Hi everyone,

I have been thinking about this for a while and now it's time to get on and do it.

To try and generate some interest and robust debate (respectfully of course) on this forum, I will be doing a 'Head-To-Head" segment each week (each Monday) involving WA horses from the past and present.

So please, join in the fun and discuss WA greats from years gone by. Also people, if you would like two horses to be up for the "Head-To-Head then please send me a message to my inbox and I will post it on here.

The innuargral Head-To-Head is:

Miss Andretti vs Placid Ark

Distance: 1200m

Track: Flemington

Weight Conditions: WFA
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  • CarlosaCarlosa    1,287 posts
    Placid Arc eased down by one and a half...
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  • PCPC    2,265 posts
    Thanks Carlosa for getting the ball rolling.



    Cheers,
    PC.
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  • PandoraPandora    225 posts
    Placid Ark
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    Good idea PC.
    My first thoughts are placid ark but would like to check their records before I commit.
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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,226 posts
    edited March 2013
    Placid Ark... A late scratching
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,404 posts
    the mare by panels.....not even a contest.
    now vain might generate some debate..or manikato but not pa.

    check bc's record, diva...you jest.....
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,404 posts
    well said, slip....
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,404 posts
    ...or is wa perochialism raising its head again??
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,404 posts
    oops..time for humble pie...i thought bc...... 8-X
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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,226 posts
    edited March 2013
    the falcon said:

    well said, slip....

    Well spotted Falcon.
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  • RIORIO    14,892 posts
    Placid Ark , that track, that distance..by 2l under heavy riding. ;)
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  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    edited March 2013
    Falc u have to be some good gear if u would even compare Vain to Miss A, not within 10 L of Vain is M A.

    Placid Ark by 2 for me, a non event

    IMO Asian Beau was better than Miss A
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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,226 posts
    edited March 2013
    Agree Piston. Asian Beau could do more than sprint
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  • PCPC    2,265 posts
    edited March 2013
    For those that are interested in these two WA champion horses's stats. See below.


    Placid Ark:

    Career Record: 21 Starts: 14-2-1

    Prizemoney:$771,300

    Major Wins:

    1987 G1 Newmarket Hcp (1200m hcp at Flemington)
    1987 G1 Oakleigh Plate (1100m at Caulfield)
    1987 G1 Lightning Stakes (1000m at Flemington)
    1987 G2 Winterbottom Stakes (1200m at Ascot)
    1987 G2 Linlithgow Stakes (1400m hcp at Flemington)
    1987 G2 Moir Stakes (1000m WFA at Moonee Valley)
    1987 G2 Canterbury Stakes (1200m hcp at Canterbury)
    1988 G3 Bob Lewis Stakes (1200m hcp at Flemington)
    1987 G3 Rupert Steele Stakes (1200m at Flemington)
    1987 G3 L.S Classic (1400m hcp at Ascot)
    1986 Listed Ansett Quality (1200m hcp at Ascot)



    Miss Andretti:

    Career Record: 31 Starts: 19-3-2

    Prizemoney: $2,848,991

    Major Wins:

    2007 G1 The Age Classic (1200m WFA at Flemington)
    2007 G1 Newmarket Handicap (1200m hcp at Flemington)
    2007 G1 Australia Stakes (1200m WFA at Moonee Valley)
    2007 G1 Lightning Stakes (1000m WFA at Flemington)
    2006 G1 Manikato Stakes (1200m WFA at Moonee Valley)
    2007 G2 Schweppes Stakes (1200m WFA at Moonee Valley)
    2007 G2 King Stand Stakes (1200m WFA at Royal Ascot)
    2006 G2 Schillaci Stakes (1200m WFA at Caulfield)
    2005 G2 Winterbottom Stakes (1200m WFA at Ascot)
    2006 G3 McEwen Stakes (1000m WFA at Moonee Valley)
    2005 G3 Prince of Wales Stakes (1200m WFA at Ascot)
    2005 Listed Ruabon Stakes (1200m hcp at Ascot)
    2006 Listed The Straight Six Stakes (1200m hcp at Flemington)


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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    the falcon said:

    ...or is wa perochialism raising its head again??

    Happens a bit doesnt it old mate
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    PC said:

    Hi everyone,

    I have been thinking about this for a while and now it's time to get on and do it.

    To try and generate some interest and robust debate (respectfully of course) on this forum, I will be doing a 'Head-To-Head" segment each week (each Monday) involving WA horses from the past and present.

    So please, join in the fun and discuss WA greats from years gone by. Also people, if you would like two horses to be up for the "Head-To-Head then please send me a message to my inbox and I will post it on here.

    The innuargral Head-To-Head is:

    Miss Andretti vs Placid Ark

    Distance: 1200m

    Track: Flemington

    Weight Conditions: WFA

    PA by that far its a joke
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  • Thoroly_BreadThoroly_Bread    2,323 posts
    Not to sure about placid arc but surely Asian Beau was not better then Miss A? What makes you say that PB
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  • Thoroly_BreadThoroly_Bread    2,323 posts
    Danny Beau?
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    Thoroly_Bread said:

    Danny Beau?

    Another sibling trialing this Friday at Bunno by Oratario x Peggies bid ,would think it will be an early runner
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  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    Thoroly_Bread said:

    Not to sure about placid arc but surely Asian Beau was not better then Miss A? What makes you say that PB

    Obviously you never saw Asian Beau race, absolute freak who when sold to Goldberg/Way still ran 2nd on Manikato on 3 legs

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  • Thoroly_BreadThoroly_Bread    2,323 posts
    Piston_Broke said:

    Thoroly_Bread said:

    Not to sure about placid arc but surely Asian Beau was not better then Miss A? What makes you say that PB

    Obviously you never saw Asian Beau race, absolute freak who when sold to Goldberg/Way still ran 2nd on Manikato on 3 legs

    Sorry yep, bit to young for him thought it might have been a typo excuse my ignorance, he was foaled 11 years before I was born, can't seem to find to much on him...any ideas where I can find stats ect?

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  • ChelseaChelsea    1,369 posts
    Asian Beau was an absolute freak,when trained by Bert Harrison.
    Won first two starts as a 2yo then had a year off through injury,
    As a 3yo won first two starts, the second as easy as you like. (I backed him to win the railway @$21 before he raced as a 3yo) then into the Railway Stakes as a 6/4 fav or $2.50 he was handicapped with about 46 kg if my memory serves me correctly And ran 3 rd last I think.
    Apparently a number of bookmakers would have hit the wall had he won.so the was duly ridden accordingly.
    In his first 10 or 11 starts he was only beaten once and that was the Railway Stakes. I was his number one fan.

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,404 posts
    who rode him in the railway? 46kg, gee, thats light..
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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,226 posts
    edited March 2013
    Think it was Glen Davies
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    Piston_Broke said:

    Thoroly_Bread said:

    Not to sure about placid arc but surely Asian Beau was not better then Miss A? What makes you say that PB

    Obviously you never saw Asian Beau race, absolute freak who when sold to Goldberg/Way still ran 2nd on Manikato on 3 legs


    Didnt Graham Webster snr ride him in most of his wins ,PB you mentioned Goldberg ?? that would be Yosse Goldberg he use to carry gold with the green shamrock colours didnt ? Beaus your Uncle ,Pick a beau ect ect ect those horses
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,404 posts
    who rode him in the railway? 46kg, gee, thats light..
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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,226 posts
    Yes Webster was the usual jockey but I'm pretty sure it was Glen Davies in the Railway.

    Correct on Goldberg colours. I recall having good wins on one of his in particular..Fundamentalist.. The old Goldberg-George Way was an interesting combination.
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    SLIPPERGOLDEN said:

    Yes Webster was the usual jockey but I'm pretty sure it was Glen Davies in the Railway.

    Correct on Goldberg colours. I recall having good wins on one of his in particular..Fundamentalist.. The old Goldberg-George Way was an interesting combination.

    Didnt Bill Fell use to also train for Yosse ?
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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,226 posts
    edited March 2013
    That's correct Dungy but didn't Way train some for him?. Fundamentalist I know was trained by Fell.
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  • ChelseaChelsea    1,369 posts
    SLIPPERGOLDEN

    You are correct Glen f****king Davies
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