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Pike v Moreira 4.0, the race to 100 wins
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therealkramer
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The Wiz is once again dishing out an early lesson to the streaky bubble boy Moreira who can't read bias and can't handle tight racing. Soon his run of outs down under will reach the half century. I wonder if he will raise the bat? But I degress. His suspension, which he incurred yesterday, starts tomorrow and in the tradition of Costanza i declare next week the Summer of George
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dungy likes this post.
That is exactly the stupid kind of statements you like presenting when talking about one of the worlds best. What has the standard of Hong Kong racing (apart from the fact you have to be invited to ride there so basically it is the best in the world for the amount of horses racing there) got to do with his Australian rides. Without having the time or inclination to look back at his last 39 rides here surely being on a horse that can win ie ability, barrier track conditions Luck in running would be a major contributing factor in that. If we were to listen to you it would be about him not being to understand bias or something similar . I am sure he didn't ride 179 winners last year over there last year if he didn't or couldn't work out that. Kramer why is that a couple of years ago I played golf in Singapore with Johny Powell a Australian jockey who back then stated that all the overseas blokes riding up there were trying to learn of him how he gets them on the other leg if the bloke wasn't that good why would experienced jockeys be trying to learn from him
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Moreira 3 - Pike/Lloyd 0
HK career strike rates
Moreira 24%
Moore 13%
Bowman 10%
Pike 5%
Its only your opinion that JM is being hailed better than he is not mine , I reckon the bloke is one of the best in the world. And who said he wasn't happy riding in HK were he has been the best the last couple years
And Moreira's strike rate in Australia? Bowman, like Nash, has won multiple premierships in Sydney. Neither of them could seriously challenge for a HK title. But in Sydney, they would give Joao more than a run for his money.
Have flat spells can’t believe this is a topic he is world class
jum likes this post.
Each year Moreira keeps breaking the record in HK and quickest to 100.
@therealkramer hopes that if he keeps going long enough, Moreira will get beaten one day and he`ll be able to tell us he got it right.
and on twitter he cops the same adulation.
as dungy is part of this thread, i won't offer an opinion on it!!
as for moreira, it would not matter where he rode, he would end up with the best record sooner or later.
it's happened everywhere he has been based, so why would it not continue in sydney melbourne timbuktu??
as for nor riding long priced winners that is incorrect.
he rides plenty at decent odds, and ones that would(and should) be longer if it were not him riding them
he is the only jockey that i have ever analysed whose record from back in the field is as good as his record up close.
and his record from any position is far superior to any jockey i have EVER analysed.
hk has the best group of riders and if has has conquered there, why not there there and there!!!
as far as this guy is concerned, you are like a dog with a bone.
you won't let go.
one thing i learned a long long time ago.
gamblers cant afford to be biased , because it will always come back and bite you on the a r s e
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Would Joao take up a retainer at Godolphin though? It would be his if he wanted it but i bet he doesn't. Those defending his record arent betting on him and that includes you.
Good
Not the most lucrative move.
I`ll just leave those 2 quotes there as a guide to Moreira`s ability.
i could not care less if he was the best or the worst.
to me, he is(or was) just another factor that needed to be accounted for, nothing more, nothing less.
the rider is simply one part of the puzzle.
but in HK(and singapore), his dominance has made my attempts at creating a model for there too difficult.
every race he is in, the model has his mount as either the most likely or usually close to it.
that's because it has him as the most predictive factor by far
never have i had anything remotely the same happen to me before.
in fact i don't need to know anything else about him except for that, to know just how much effect he has on the chance of a horse winning or losing.
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Pike is considered the best rider in Perth, and rightly so. No one says he's in the conversation for best hoop in the country. Moreira rides in HK and Singapore and he's bestowed with world's best honours. That's the distinction I was trying to make.
yours(and mine) opinions of him are irrelevant.
if the trainers want him and use him, then maybe you need to take it up with them, why they have it wrong!
i think he is the best in the world, but that fact did not help me make money, so in that respect i wish he never went to hk!
Ah yes your as predictable as the sun coming up Kramer , how did I know that was coming if you take the worlds best rated turf horse group ones of Hughies tally were does that have him . And don't twist this Kramer because I reckon H.Bowman is a real good too. This is about your continual bagging of JM
Its not about premierships Kramer, if it was how many of those over the last couple of years has JM won . The longines world ratings are about group ones won since December2016. And don't make this about HB because you were originally talking about our own W.pike, look at your post 6 above this ,where is WPike on that list?
Joao Moreira dominates in Singapore and Hong Kong and he's elevated to world's best. The top jockeys may flock there for the cash but they are able to make enough of that riding twice a week, without contending for a title. If the premiership meant as much as an NBA, NRL, AFL title or some other accolade then surely you would see pressure to change the nature and make up of their race fixtures. Handicaps/welters with a class system like HK's undoubtedly favour a jockey like Joao, who is able to ride light weights. Do you honestly believe if Zac, Nash and Joao competed in Australia for a full season, that Joao would be as dominant? He may well win a title but it would be a lot closer than you think(Nash's wins would unquestionably increase) and it would go a long way to silence a lot of critics, including this one.
I think Peter Valandys should make luring The Tragic Man (sorry, force of habit) here his next great coup. Just imagine the interest and turnover increase?