Kingston Town ClassicWest Australian Racing

PuntingTragic

The Diva said:

Thought Mr Moet was the run of the race.... again! Has had no luck whatsoever with pace this campaign. 

That's why p hall should have been aggressive out of the barrier an gone forward there was no pace on paper so why not roll forward from a wide gate sheet stupidity to get that far back on MM

darkshines

The Diva said:

Thought Mr Moet was the run of the race.... again! Has had no luck whatsoever with pace this campaign. 

Is it really called 'luck' when such events are completely forseeable? (without proactive change in riding)

TheDiva

agreed, everyone had the opportunity to make their own luck in that race. 

PuntingTragic

Yeah I wasn't in to MM heavy but seriously if P Hall does not know by now the pace of races in WA when will he

Blind freedy could see pre race no pace in the race so he drops out 15 lengths last and runs home when its all over rover

Sad to see such a good horse denegrated by two piss poor rides back here in WA

theketaminekid

Th

PuntingTragic said:

Yeah I wasn't in to MM heavy but seriously if P Hall does not know by now the pace of races in WA when will he

Blind freedy could see pre race no pace in the race so he drops out 15 lengths last and runs home when its all over rover

Sad to see such a good horse denegrated by two piss poor rides back here in WA

Think you are looking at this one with rose coloured glasses just don't think he is going that well this year.

PuntingTragic

theketaminekid said:

Th

PuntingTragic said:

Yeah I wasn't in to MM heavy but seriously if P Hall does not know by now the pace of races in WA when will he

Blind freedy could see pre race no pace in the race so he drops out 15 lengths last and runs home when its all over rover

Sad to see such a good horse denegrated by two piss poor rides back here in WA

Think you are looking at this one with rose coloured glasses just don't think he is going that well this year.

Maybe so he just ran a 2.5 length 5th in a Caufiled cup and 2 length 4th in a Mckinnon not to shabby how many WA nags can do that ?

All I am saying is surely Durrant can find a better rider than P Hall to ride such a good horse as MM

Anyone who thinks his two rides were good on MM is just effing crazy they were crap pure and simple lack of using the initiative on Saturday sure might have been instructions to go that far back but he proved in the CC he can run in the van and stick on

MM was simply given no hope by P Hall in his last two runs

thefalcon

i cannot come to grips with the fact that doug whyte was without a railway ride at the time riders were nominated for the railway.

that the connections did not grab him is just sheer stupidity, imho.

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RIO

if i could falcon i'd like your comment 100 times..watch the loyalty in the middle of winter when you want one ridden that will be right in a run or two...they will all jump off and go for the one that might give them a result that day...

H-BOMBER

Looking at the sectionals, MM ran exactly the same as LG this year. Looking at the race last year, they also did the same. MM seemed to corner awkwardly but he was wayyy to far back!! MM needed to be up where Ihtsahym was (ala Caulfield Cup run). I reckon we'll see MM win the Cox stakes for the second year in a row and then head to Wallers.

PuntingTragic

the falcon said:

i cannot come to grips with the fact that doug whyte was without a railway ride at the time riders were nominated for the railway.

that the connections did not grab him is just sheer stupidity, imho.

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Stupidity on Steroids or why they didnt fly a top eastern states jock over for the ride it was a million dollar race yet they put P Hall on a journeyman at best complete madness was that an owners choice I think not surely after bothering to take it east

What did MM earn over east 200k ?

tony

RIO said:

if i could falcon i'd like your comment 100 times..watch the loyalty in the middle of winter when you want one ridden that will be right in a run or two...they will all jump off and go for the one that might give them a result that day...

Could not agree wtih you more Rio. If there is to be any loyalty it must be a total 2 way street. If you have a jockey who has refused "good" rides to stick with you OK but I cannot think of any like that these days.

therealkramer

Why did the connections Of Talent Show & Moonlight Bay even bothered. If they were winning chances there's no way two apprentices would have kept the rides. It was a race with a thrilling finish but the best horse in the race and the state was denied a fair chance.

darkshines

Bullshit. That is the lot of the backmarker. Next they'll have lanes??

therealkramer

darkshines said:

Bullshit. That is the lot of the backmarker. Next they'll have lanes??

Backmarker in a slowly run race back on the rail? For sure, but one off the rail with pace on? Surely you jest?

carey

the race was NOT slowly run for starters.
that was my initial impression, but it was wrong.
pace was fine.
best horse won.

obrienrb

Apprentices should only be allowed to ride in group ones when they have out ridden their claim..group ones are not for apprentices..

therealkramer

carey said:

the race was NOT slowly run for starters.
that was my initial impression, but it was wrong.
pace was fine.
best horse won.

No way. I backed LG but that's irrelevant, I was against him in the Railway but he was the best horse and won even with the huge weight. Ihtsahymn would still be a massive run even in 2nd-far superior to Playing God when he beat Impressive Jeuney. LG peaked on his run 25m from the post imo, Steven Parnham pushed the button before Donga, set up the break so the 3yo was tiring moreso than the champ that's the only reason why it looked like LG was mowing him down. LG needed to be closer than he was and it was the interference that prevented that. Your computer makes no account of such things, it's a number cruncher, Carey you have said so yourself. In any case if the All-in betting is any indication, it looks like LG and MM will face off again in the Cox Stakes but Ihtsahymn will not.

therealkramer

obrienrb said:

Apprentices should only be allowed to ride in group ones when they have out ridden their claim..group ones are not for apprentices..

I think Ben Paterson(1.5kg claim) belongs in Group 1 company, the other two, not so much...yet X_X

carey

2012 110.29  600=35.42 to 600=74.87
2013 109.52  600=35.56 to 600=73.96

come again?
my computer and me are 2 different things, it's me talking now, not a computer.
wherever they were in the run is irrelevant to the fact that this year's was run in quicker time AND quicker early than last year.
not only that, but the tracks are now prepared different so that they no longer ran as fast as they once did.

the best horse won on the day.

luckygray actually returns a better figure this year than last year, he also went out quicker this year than last year, notwithstanding he was this year a little(not much though) further off them at the 600 but maybe that's because the pace WAS hotter.

if lg or mm were ridden too far back is perhaps correct, but the fact remains the pace WAS NOT SLOW

therealkramer

Carey he was going forward when he was cut in half. How much ground do you think he lost and how much further back was he when Ihtsahymn took off? Last year LG won the Lee Steere in dominant fashion, 2nd in the Railway and then won the KT. He was probably better placed to be peaking this year-I'm sure I heard Gino say he was putting the work into him leading into last year's race. No one doubts him at 1800m now-in fact I'd rather back him at 1800m than 1400m. If he'd been closer in the run it wouldn't have dulled his sprint, I'm certainly looking forward to the Cox Stakes if both he and MM run.

theketaminekid

H-BOMBER said:

Looking at the sectionals, MM ran exactly the same as LG this year. Looking at the race last year, they also did the same. MM seemed to corner awkwardly but he was wayyy to far back!! MM needed to be up where Ihtsahym was (ala Caulfield Cup run). I reckon we'll see MM win the Cox stakes for the second year in a row and then head to Wallers.

problem is he can not produce those sectionals when ridden too close

Legless

it seemed to me watching it that when Harvey went forward that he kept a decent clip happening - the winner broke 1.50 - not so sure it was slowly run :-?

carey

the only way he was going forward was if the seas parted.
he may have got into bother, but i don't think it cost him the race as he was already in traffic.
and it was a long way out so had ample time to go forward if he desired.
harvey made a move, lg stayed where he was.
if you blame the rider fair enough, but the trouble was no big deal that far out.

best horse won on the day, and maybe in time he will just be the best horse.

theketaminekid

carey said:

the only way he was going forward was if the seas parted.
he may have got into bother, but i don't think it cost him the race as he was already in traffic.
and it was a long way out so had ample time to go forward if he desired.
harvey made a move, lg stayed where he was.
if you blame the rider fair enough, but the trouble was no big deal that far out.

best horse won on the day, and maybe in time he will just be the best horse.

have to agree (would just click like post if it actually worked)

PuntingTragic

Best horse won no argument there but MM has been slaughtered twice by P Hall if the owners retain him they are suckers for punishment simple as that

Not talking thru my kick as was light MM just thought letting him get that far back or not attacking the pace was a massive mistake and a crap ride on a good horse

Not saying he could have given the 3 yr old 7 kg and beaten him but backers of MM deserve better than P Hall

Bet my balls they sack Hall for the Cox Stakes should they run in it put the Pontiff on for gods sake do something anything other than P Hall

Rogue_Green

A few people on this forum mentioned P.Hall as being a bad choice of rider a few weeks ago, which i wasnt convinced until Saturday. Wether it be under instructions or not, with a race void of real speed surely the best option was to roll forward from the start? MM never going to beat Luckygray in a sit and sprint let alone a 3 year old on the rise.

Even after that performance i reckon Luckygray is a good bet in the cox stakes.

Piston_Broke

Hall just an off 2 hrs, Rose Of Choice was a pearler, his biggest howler was in the last The Tenby Friar, it happens, "Thats Racing"

PuntingTragic

Piston_Broke said:

Hall just an off 2 hrs, Rose Of Choice was a pearler, his biggest howler was in the last The Tenby Friar, it happens, "Thats Racing"

Yep even the guns slaughter then at times bit surely surely there was a better rider than P Hall in the railway sitting in the stands

Oh yeah there was Douglas Whyte the worlds best arguably

therealkramer

carey said:

the only way he was going forward was if the seas parted.
he may have got into bother, but i don't think it cost him the race as he was already in traffic.
and it was a long way out so had ample time to go forward if he desired.
harvey made a move, lg stayed where he was.
if you blame the rider fair enough, but the trouble was no big deal that far out.

best horse won on the day, and maybe in time he will just be the best horse.

He lost his position when the interference happened and then had to be ridden to resume his original place. He was never going to be sitting back last To say it doesn't affect his performance is wrong. He was beaten a neck, ot a length.

therealkramer

Luckygray had every right to be where Moonlight Bay was when they settled. There's no way Parnham was two lengths clear when he crossed and that was the start of the trouble.