GP- J.P Stratton Cup (Gp2)Harness & Greyhounds

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GP

Race 1-   Hale Saint Louie,  Insta Gator,  Sweet Lucifer,  High Price

Race 2-   Otis,  Love On The Rocks,  Fleur Du Marquis,  Soho Santorini

Race 3-   Menemsha,  Ideal Muscle,  Soho Honey Rider,  Atlantic Gem

Race 4-   Goodfellaz,  Im The Black Flash,  Steel The Show,  Lil Happy Fella

Race 5-   Mister Smartee,  Pinny Tiger,  Tenzing Bromac,  Mighty Ronaldo

Race 6-   Alcopony,  Street Hawk,  The Code Breaker,  Soho Dow Jones

Race 7-   Xceptional Arma,  Our Sandy Shore,  Our Lady Jen,  Peaceful

Race 8-   The Miki Taker,  Ok Boomer,  Rock Me Over,  Regal Cheval

Race 9-   Magnus Victor,  Sugar Street,  Thomson Bay,  Chivalry

Race 10- Marengo Bay,  Hold That Gold,  Our Maestoso,  Patched

Bunbury

R1- Wheel Fast

R2- Major Disco

R3- Spiritofanangel

R4- Major Freeway

R5- Del Bocavista Bay

R6- Allwoods Chevron

R7- Im Begging You

Gilgamesh

Steel The Show EW for me, sure there were double fugires at one stage.

Alcapony my other likely bet like it back to the 2100m trip.

Ivorytrunkey86

Voak drives pinny tiger whilst training one in the same race and it’s not a concession claim…. Has that rule changed?

sonny

R6,, Think the 1 is unders .. Backed 2/6 with some of my winnings..

Gilgamesh

sonny said:

R6,, Think the 1 is unders .. Backed 2/6 with some of my winnings..

Good night for the bank balance!

sonny

Hi Gilga, To quote John Blackman.. I came into the world with nothing and I almost got it back..Cheers

Gilgamesh

This GP meeting was one of the hardest to watch in a while. Real grinding races with zero ground being made - even in 29+ final quarters.

Not sure what was going on there, racing had been pretty enjoyable the month or so prior.

JayJay

I surrendered after the first 6 races.

Formation lap racing with barrier draws of 2,2,1,2,2,2 for the winners pre-determining that there would be parade laps prior to a bit of a late flurry on the turn in.

No wonder the joint is deserted.

warrenrobinson

Horses out of position at the candy pole is certainly becoming a joke, if a horse is out of position a false start should be called and then at the second attempt it happens again horse to be scratched and put ODM. It's about time the stewards stand up a make a statement.

JayJay

The "NPCP" (Not In Position By the Candy Pole) designation presents a number of different scenarios and possible outcomes.

Where we have a reticent horse, who despite the urgings of the driver to be in position at the Candy Pole, and does not "get on the arm" in time, then depending on whether it inconveniences a horse behind it, it is either a false start (if another horse is affected) or green light, bad luck.  Assign it ODM and back to trials. Assign the letter "U" next to it so that punters know it is unruly.

When a horse is held back by the driver from being on the gate to "anticipate the start", thus seeking an unfair advantage, and another runner is disadvantaged, then it is a false start and the offender goes to the outside of the front line. If no horse behind is disadvantaged, the starter can still call a false start, or if the race proceeds, then solutions include immediate relegation or disqualification from the race. An automatic driver suspension would also apply for seeking an unfair advantage. At the gallops, if a horse anticipates the start and breaks through the gates slightly ahead of the others, it is automatically excluded.

If a horse has to be held back because it is going too fiercely and if placed in position by the candy pole means it will hit the gate, thus enabling it to have an unfair advantage in the last 50 metres of the score up, then it is designated CODM until it performs satisfactorily at trials. 

The system of continuously fining drivers is not working and who can blame the drivers. Why wouldn't you risk a $100 fine or, as in last nights Cup, a $300 fine when the reward is $57,000? 

A bit like the pointlessness of fining drivers ad nauseum for unacceptable whip use. That is working well, isn't it. "Flicking action only" is a seemingly extremely flexible interpretation.  Would suspensions would work better. Just asking the question. One thing is certain...when the whip is inevitably banned due to community distaste (and I am not advocating that), it will be the drivers and only the drivers who must accept responsibility for the inevitable.

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Chopchop43

JayJay said:

I surrendered after the first 6 races.

Formation lap racing with barrier draws of 2,2,1,2,2,2 for the winners pre-determining that there would be parade laps prior to a bit of a late flurry on the turn in.

No wonder the joint is deserted.

unfortunately a state wide issue when we continue to race on tracks 850 metres or less

JayJay

Aye, and those clever buggars down by the palms have come up with a cunning plan, so cunning that it's cleverness deceives all but a select few living in the proposed surrounding Ivory Towers....sell off half the family estate for amounts unknown, convince the presiding QUANGO to part with $25 million under the guise of "redevelopment", whack up a comfy new pavilion for the few hundred remaining members, give it a trendy name like "the theatre" and ....wait for it...keep racing on an 800m track for the next 4 decades.  And if we run out of cash in the meantime, go to the treasury with the begging bowl. Brilliant plan.

Chopchop43

JayJay said:

Aye, and those clever buggars down by the palms have come up with a cunning plan, so cunning that it's cleverness deceives all but a select few living in the proposed surrounding Ivory Towers....sell off half the family estate for amounts unknown, convince the presiding QUANGO to part with $25 million under the guise of "redevelopment", whack up a comfy new pavilion for the few hundred remaining members, give it a trendy name like "the theatre" and ....wait for it...keep racing on an 800m track for the next 4 decades.  And if we run out of cash in the meantime, go to the treasury with the begging bowl. Brilliant plan.

still doesn't take away the fact the majority of racing on most the tighter track in the state are a snooze fest , the product in general is boring not just what's been dished up to us at gp

Gilgamesh

Chopchop43 said:

JayJay said:

Aye, and those clever buggars down by the palms have come up with a cunning plan, so cunning that it's cleverness deceives all but a select few living in the proposed surrounding Ivory Towers....sell off half the family estate for amounts unknown, convince the presiding QUANGO to part with $25 million under the guise of "redevelopment", whack up a comfy new pavilion for the few hundred remaining members, give it a trendy name like "the theatre" and ....wait for it...keep racing on an 800m track for the next 4 decades.  And if we run out of cash in the meantime, go to the treasury with the begging bowl. Brilliant plan.

still doesn't take away the fact the majority of racing on most the tighter track in the state are a snooze fest , the product in general is boring not just what's been dished up to us at gp

I've found a lot of the racing from Kellerberrin pretty entertaining (granted have not seen it all). The last meet i watched had some cracking finishes.

Huge asterisk to that though is if you had fast horses going around that track dare say it wouldnt have appeared to be so fair, become too hard out wide if they are flying home.

It just had a different feel last night, as I said even 29+ home the horses thst had been sitting back looked like they were running home in quick sand, looked some bloody tired animals.

Chopchop43

Gilgamesh said:

Chopchop43 said:

JayJay said:

Aye, and those clever buggars down by the palms have come up with a cunning plan, so cunning that it's cleverness deceives all but a select few living in the proposed surrounding Ivory Towers....sell off half the family estate for amounts unknown, convince the presiding QUANGO to part with $25 million under the guise of "redevelopment", whack up a comfy new pavilion for the few hundred remaining members, give it a trendy name like "the theatre" and ....wait for it...keep racing on an 800m track for the next 4 decades.  And if we run out of cash in the meantime, go to the treasury with the begging bowl. Brilliant plan.

still doesn't take away the fact the majority of racing on most the tighter track in the state are a snooze fest , the product in general is boring not just what's been dished up to us at gp

I've found a lot of the racing from Kellerberrin pretty entertaining (granted have not seen it all). The last meet i watched had some cracking finishes.

Huge asterisk to that though is if you had fast horses going around that track dare say it wouldnt have appeared to be so fair, become too hard out wide if they are flying home.

It just had a different feel last night, as I said even 29+ home the horses thst had been sitting back looked like they were running home in quick sand, looked some bloody tired animals.

it was a bit odd like you say , a few races where it was run very even and horses that would usually run on in those situation just battled away , outside a couple of races in the middle of the meeting weren't a plethora of very quick last half's off the back of a slow early tempo

AbbysAce

When no one even pulls out to make a run in the last lap, in a $100,000 race there clearly is a problem, one I can see is the group of drivers.

There all best buddies, they either live together, work together, go out with each other, are related or play golf together.

TimmyBee

Chopchop43 said:

Gilgamesh said:

Chopchop43 said:

JayJay said:

Aye, and those clever buggars down by the palms have come up with a cunning plan, so cunning that it's cleverness deceives all but a select few living in the proposed surrounding Ivory Towers....sell off half the family estate for amounts unknown, convince the presiding QUANGO to part with $25 million under the guise of "redevelopment", whack up a comfy new pavilion for the few hundred remaining members, give it a trendy name like "the theatre" and ....wait for it...keep racing on an 800m track for the next 4 decades.  And if we run out of cash in the meantime, go to the treasury with the begging bowl. Brilliant plan.

still doesn't take away the fact the majority of racing on most the tighter track in the state are a snooze fest , the product in general is boring not just what's been dished up to us at gp

I've found a lot of the racing from Kellerberrin pretty entertaining (granted have not seen it all). The last meet i watched had some cracking finishes.

Huge asterisk to that though is if you had fast horses going around that track dare say it wouldnt have appeared to be so fair, become too hard out wide if they are flying home.

It just had a different feel last night, as I said even 29+ home the horses thst had been sitting back looked like they were running home in quick sand, looked some bloody tired animals.

it was a bit odd like you say , a few races where it was run very even and horses that would usually run on in those situation just battled away , outside a couple of races in the middle of the meeting weren't a plethora of very quick last half's off the back of a slow early tempo

6 of the 8 2130m races ran sub 37 lead times. And a few of them were pretty quick early before the anchor was thrown over board. Once you start running genuine lead times it sorts the men out from the boys

Chopchop43

TimmyBee said:

Chopchop43 said:

Gilgamesh said:

Chopchop43 said:

JayJay said:

Aye, and those clever buggars down by the palms have come up with a cunning plan, so cunning that it's cleverness deceives all but a select few living in the proposed surrounding Ivory Towers....sell off half the family estate for amounts unknown, convince the presiding QUANGO to part with $25 million under the guise of "redevelopment", whack up a comfy new pavilion for the few hundred remaining members, give it a trendy name like "the theatre" and ....wait for it...keep racing on an 800m track for the next 4 decades.  And if we run out of cash in the meantime, go to the treasury with the begging bowl. Brilliant plan.

still doesn't take away the fact the majority of racing on most the tighter track in the state are a snooze fest , the product in general is boring not just what's been dished up to us at gp

I've found a lot of the racing from Kellerberrin pretty entertaining (granted have not seen it all). The last meet i watched had some cracking finishes.

Huge asterisk to that though is if you had fast horses going around that track dare say it wouldnt have appeared to be so fair, become too hard out wide if they are flying home.

It just had a different feel last night, as I said even 29+ home the horses thst had been sitting back looked like they were running home in quick sand, looked some bloody tired animals.

it was a bit odd like you say , a few races where it was run very even and horses that would usually run on in those situation just battled away , outside a couple of races in the middle of the meeting weren't a plethora of very quick last half's off the back of a slow early tempo

6 of the 8 2130m races ran sub 37 lead times. And a few of them were pretty quick early before the anchor was thrown over board. Once you start running genuine lead times it sorts the men out from the boys

think you'd find but that Sub 37 lead times aren't that uncommon on a Friday night , you often still see them get home in sub 57.5 if they get that breather in the first half of the last mile, not often are they getting home in 29-30

Frog

I do agree with WR the biggest problem we have is the stewards, after watching the replays today how was that not a false start with a warning or sent to the outside barrier ? Why wouldnt mouse protest as he would of won easy. I'm going to say bending the rules but it changed the result big time and does Ryan horse get scratched with an unfair start. Turnover may be down because of these bending of the rules ???

Frog

Redevopement wont change anything unless we follow the rules and suspend those who break the rules. But those in media keep promoting them which is just laughable. The product is everything

about integrity and trainers not driving there own horses is a joke. Kersley driving a Warwick horse years ago with a horse in the race would not of happened.

warrenrobinson

Totally agree with frog, drivers choosing to drive other than the horse they train has certainly got out of hand.If you train you drive. Just on Pinny Tiger it was interesting he was sent back to trials in my opinion it was driver error.

Chopchop43

Don't think voaky did too much wrong there

PictureSon1973

Not wanting to bea Smart Ass!
But Could it be that track surface has been topped with new material for Carnival coming ?

Gilgamesh

PictureSon1973 said:

Not wanting to bea Smart Ass!
But Could it be that track surface has been topped with new material for Carnival coming ?

Not a smart arse at all, i'd hope it is the case that it was due to something like that.

That said it was actually racing pretty well so if that was the case it hasnt improved things!

Frog

Redevelopment 2.0 , I hear is not as happy going as Radley said Thursday on Talking Trots, members is just a shell no kitchen for restaurant, no toilets, sitting on the floor no food or drinks unless paid for fit out by out sources. We sell our soul at 50% less than market value and end up with a shell and empty stand. But we can ask the state government for money and have 30% state housing and that would be a great winner. They have had all this extra time for a take two and cant even fit out a new stand and ask government for money to help. Please dont ask any questions and were not taken any minutes. Its time for people to be held responsible for this mess.Why not a second vote for a 2.0 different plan.

Frog

It seems like no one asks questions about on the tracks issues and no one can ask questions about off the track issues. It was great to hear media say Mister Smartie held Pinny Tiger easily for early speed (what a load of s  t) if i was Mouse or Ryan i would of smashed the stewards doors down. Lucky it was only $100k race and was the second time Pinny Tiger has last one due to the stewards incompliance. I feel so sorry for Pinny Tiger owners not being in the gang and paying the price.

JayJay

A different plan with a different company? You would think a second vote would be required.

Hamish Beck admitted that the cost of the precociously named "Theatre" ( its a members pavilion or grandstand) is an unknown quantity. Originally costed at $30.6 million but could well be 40 million or even 50 million? 

And now we are hearing bring your own folding chair and your own Mrs Macs Pie? It might well need a government bail out or someone (other than RWWA) tipping in a bunch of money for it to be viable. If only 2.4 ha of the 5.8 ha is usable land for actually building on, is that enough for the new company to proceed once approval for is gained?

Perhaps the AGM on Wednesday will produce further detail?

savethegame

Thought they had The goose that laid the Golden Egg Don't tell me its got diarrhoea,

Trouble is you have to drag them out from under the woodpile, and admit we were naughty boys trying that stunt.,on geniune industry people.
Give RWWA back 22million keep 2 million tidy the joint up.
Heard there's four months left to pay up for 200 acres of McClarteys land at Pinjarra but it is always underwater in winter, so the country would needed to be built-up ?.

Chopchop43

Frog said:

It seems like no one asks questions about on the tracks issues and no one can ask questions about off the track issues. It was great to hear media say Mister Smartie held Pinny Tiger easily for early speed (what a load of s  t) if i was Mouse or Ryan i would of smashed the stewards doors down. Lucky it was only $100k race and was the second time Pinny Tiger has last one due to the stewards incompliance. I feel so sorry for Pinny Tiger owners not being in the gang and paying the price.

it did hold it comfortably enough , don't know why you'd even be wasting the stewards time on this one

TimmyBee

Gilgamesh said:

PictureSon1973 said:

Not wanting to bea Smart Ass!
But Could it be that track surface has been topped with new material for Carnival coming ?

Not a smart arse at all, i'd hope it is the case that it was due to something like that.

That said it was actually racing pretty well so if that was the case it hasnt improved things!

I see in Ken’s review of the meeting Justin prentice said there was a very strong headwind

Frog

One had a run up start pretty hard to match , watch the replay, only got $300 fine should of been his 5% or made ODM.