WA's most successful stayer

Darrah · May 2011

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I notice Guyno figures prominently.I know its overall record,doesnt compete due to injury.But how many times did Guyno beat Lord's Ransom?
LR was in another class and would have been a group horse no doubt if stayed sound.
Just my opinion fellas.Sadly we'll never get to see how good he was. :(

Agree, I'll not forget his 2008 Bunbury Cup win by almost three-lengths (from Guyno) coming from the tail early - was sensational.

:D

BlacksAFake · May 2011

That win was sensational.His run in the Railway was massive,wins in another 100 if that and got held up.Then blew them away in the Cox. :D

dungy · May 2011

I agree Blakes Lords Ransom was a super horse he ran brillaint first up in Melbourne for Danny Obrien 3rd then never came back ,then his prep back in Perth was fantastic loved that horse backed in his first win at Northam when he walked in i remember thinking then this bloke is a topliner and yeh the Bunbury Cup win was huge Pikey settled him last pressed the button and he rounded them up was a good punting horse to me

PC · May 2011

Where is Lords Ransom these days? I know he hasnt been racing due to injury but will he be back racing at all or has he been officially retired?

Cheers,
PC.

Skywest_Airlines · May 2011

I agree, Lords Ransom is a much better horse than Guyno. Guyno is more of traditional stayer. Lords Ransom has that bit of class. I dont think Guyno ever beat Lords Ransom when they raced against each other.

BlacksAFake · May 2011

Correct.He never really looked like beating him.

Skywest_Airlines · May 2011

I may have gone over board with Guyno beating Rogan Josh at 3200m but howabout I peg back the distance a little bit and make it 2400m hehe.

Guyno might fancy his chances then I'd say. Could be a win for the Guyno man hahahaha.

PC · May 2011

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I may have gone over board with Guyno beating Rogan Josh at 3200m but howabout I peg back the distance a little bit and make it 2400m hehe.

Guyno might fancy his chances then I'd say. Could be a win for the Guyno man hahahaha.

Ok well lets look at the stats.

At 2400m Guyno has had 9 starts: 3-1-2

These wins were the WA Derby, Perth Cup and Mornington Cup.

He also finished 2nd in the Perth Cup, 3rd in the Pinjarra Cup and 3rd in the CB Cox Stakes.

At 2400m Rogan Josh had 5 starts: 1-1-0

His win was the Group 2 Herbert Power Stakes. He also got 2nd in the CB Cox Stakes and got 4th in the Caulfield Cup and 5th in the Hong Kong Vase overeas. He finished 4 times in the top 5 from those 5 starts.

It's a toss of the coin in the scanario that your suggesting Skywest_Airlines. Could go either way.

Cheers,
PC

Rodent · May 2011

Guyno could never win the LKS Mackinnon G1 WFA 2000m. Rogan Josh did it before winning the Melbourne Cup. It's a no contest.

PC · May 2011

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Guyno could never win the LKS Mackinnon G1 WFA 2000m. Rogan Josh did it before winning the Melbourne Cup. It's a no contest.

Yeah spot on, and that Mackinnon win was a fast one as well. 2:00.34, second fastest Mackinon Stakes in the history of that race (Horlicks holds the record with 2:00.30 when she won the Mackinnon in 1989).

I couldnt see Guyno doing that.

Cheers,
PC.

Rodent · May 2011

Horlicks was crap though. Appart from her 1989 MacKinnon win, she won the lowly Japan Cup in 1989 in world record time :shock:
...and a crap broodmare. She threw that lowly handicapper Brew :shock:
...and one of her daughters foaled Fiumicino (G1 AJC Australian Derby)

PC · May 2011

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Horlicks was crap though. Appart from her 1989 MacKinnon win, she won the lowly Japan Cup in 1989 in world record time :shock:
...and a crap broodmare. She threw that lowly handicapper Brew :shock:
...and one of her daughters foaled Fiumicino (G1 AJC Australian Derby)

So do you think Brew wasn't that good a stayer? Do you think he was an ordinary handicapper? I know he won a Melbourne Cup and the Group 2 Saab Quality but he didnt do much else. Mind you a lot of other people call Rogan Josh a handicapper was well. Still - as you pointed out he did win at WFA. Not that he was a WFA horse but he is a WFA winner. I couldnt see Brew doing that.

I think from memory Brew had a feather weight in that 2000 Melbourne Cup. I think he had 49.5kg? He also ran in the previous Melbourne Cup in 1999.

Cheers,
PC.

Skywest_Airlines · May 2011

Brew wasn't that good PC. Yes he is a Melbourne Cup winner and a Saab winner but they were the only Black-type races he won. He wasn't a WFA horse - he was bred to stay.

He probably didn't live up to the expectations, but he got a Melbourne Cup in the end.

Put it this way, I think Rogan Josh was a better horse than Jezabeel who won the Melbourne Cup the year before in 1998 and a better horse than Brew who win the Melbourne Cup in 2000.

PC · May 2011

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Brew wasn't that good PC. Yes he is a Melbourne Cup winner and a Saab winner but they were the only Black-type races he won. He wasn't a WFA horse - he was bred to stay.

He probably didn't live up to the expectations, but he got a Melbourne Cup in the end.

Put it this way, I think Rogan Josh was a better horse than Jezabeel who won the Melbourne Cup the year before in 1998 and a better horse than Brew who win the Melbourne Cup in 2000.

Yeah your right, RJ was a better horse than those two.

Cheers,
PC.

Vorgtraffic · May 2011

It really is true that sarcasm doesnt work on the internet

tony · May 2011

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It really is true that sarcasm doesnt work on the internet

There are occasions (like this one) when you are left shaking you head. :shock:

Vorgtraffic · May 2011

:lol: true

PC · May 2011

whats the sarcasm that your referring to?

Cheers,
PC.

Vorgtraffic · May 2011

Basically rodents entire post

See the use of emoticons are used to convey sarcasm in this instance

PC · May 2011

ok. I think this poll has bought out some interesting responses. At least people are participating.

That's the trouble with this forum. Not many people want to contribute to the forum which is a shame.

Cheers,
PC.

Rodent · May 2011

Sorry, I thought the sarcasm was evident given how hard it is to win a Melbourne Cup. Maybe Brew would have had a better record if there were a lot more 3200m races. He did enough in his career to say that Horlicks was not only a great racemare but she threw a pretty good horse herself.

Skywest_Airlines · May 2011

Horlicks was handy indeed, both on the track and off it.

PC · May 2011

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Sorry, I thought the sarcasm was evident given how hard it is to win a Melbourne Cup. Maybe Brew would have had a better record if there were a lot more 3200m races. He did enough in his career to say that Horlicks was not only a great racemare but she threw a pretty good horse herself.

yeah if there were a lot more 3200m races around then Brew could have had a better record. I was just pointing out Rogan Josh's record in comparison to Brew's record and Jezabeel's too.

Like you said though, its hard to win a Melbourne Cup and no one can take that away from Brew.

Cheers,
PC.

Hitman · May 2011

Sounds like we need a ` Tounge in cheek` emoticon. :lol:

Phelps · May 2011

I think Skywest is working on the theory if that if you pulled these old champs out of their paddocks Guyno would beat them.

Other than that nothing makes sense :shock:

Skywest_Airlines · May 2011

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I think Skywest is working on the theory if that if you pulled these old champs out of their paddocks Guyno would beat them.

Other than that nothing makes sense :shock:

I don't think so

Skywest_Airlines · May 2011

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Well if Northerly had run in the Cup carrying 56kg(6kg more than Rogan Josh and 2kg less than his CC win) he wins by how much? I'm saying Northerly's CC win is better than any other staying performance or performances(at least in recent times Guyno, Scenic Shot, Rogan Josh).

Next you will probably say that Black Caviar's win in the Newmarket Handicap carrying 58kg was a great staying performance.

Precision · May 2011

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Well if Northerly had run in the Cup carrying 56kg(6kg more than Rogan Josh and 2kg less than his CC win) he wins by how much? I'm saying Northerly's CC win is better than any other staying performance or performances(at least in recent times Guyno, Scenic Shot, Rogan Josh).
Next you will probably say that Black Caviar's win in the Newmarket Handicap carrying 58kg was a great staying performance.

Hang on SkyWest your the one talking up Guyno as a stayer who's furthest win is at 2,400m now your saying Northerly winning a Caulfield Cup with 58kg's isn't a staying performance???????.............Not sure Northerly could have beaten Media Puzzle giving him weight at 3,200m but still think he deserves to be mentioned when we are talking great WA stayers purely on his CC win. Hell he came second in a BMW (should have won) and we are talking about other horses placing in major staying races.

Skywest_Airlines · May 2011

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Well if Northerly had run in the Cup carrying 56kg(6kg more than Rogan Josh and 2kg less than his CC win) he wins by how much? I'm saying Northerly's CC win is better than any other staying performance or performances(at least in recent times Guyno, Scenic Shot, Rogan Josh).
Next you will probably say that Black Caviar's win in the Newmarket Handicap carrying 58kg was a great staying performance.
Hang on SkyWest your the one talking up Guyno as a stayer who's furthest win is at 2,400m now your saying Northerly winning a Caulfield Cup with 58kg's isn't a staying performance???????.............Not sure Northerly could have beaten Media Puzzle giving him weight at 3,200m but still think he deserves to be mentioned when we are talking great WA stayers purely on his CC win. Hell he came second in a BMW (should have won) and we are talking about other horses placing in major staying races.

Actually the furtherest Guyno has won is at 2600m in the Group 3 2011 Lord Reims Stakes at Morphetville.

I agree I don't think Northerly would have beaten Media Puzzle in that 2002 Melbourne Cup. They went at a decent clip - 2nd fastest Melbourne Cup actually - Northerly would have been really tested.

Yes I can see where you are coming from.

Brubaker · May 2011

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Well if Northerly had run in the Cup carrying 56kg(6kg more than Rogan Josh and 2kg less than his CC win) he wins by how much? I'm saying Northerly's CC win is better than any other staying performance or performances(at least in recent times Guyno, Scenic Shot, Rogan Josh).
Next you will probably say that Black Caviar's win in the Newmarket Handicap carrying 58kg was a great staying performance.
Hang on SkyWest your the one talking up Guyno as a stayer who's furthest win is at 2,400m now your saying Northerly winning a Caulfield Cup with 58kg's isn't a staying performance???????.............Not sure Northerly could have beaten Media Puzzle giving him weight at 3,200m but still think he deserves to be mentioned when we are talking great WA stayers purely on his CC win. Hell he came second in a BMW (should have won) and we are talking about other horses placing in major staying races.

The old system was..... up to 1600m (mile) was a sprinter. Up to 2400m classed as middle distance. 2400m onwards was a stayer.

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