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AFL Round 8 - Derby round!

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TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
edited November -1 Sport
A couple of big games this round.

WCE and Freo - let the war begin! Should be as even a match as we've had in years by the looks (on current form anyhow).

GEEL and COLL - I dunno, its being billed as a blockbuster, but I just cant help but feel its going to be a fizzer.......bloody collingwood are too good arent they?

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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    Pies will embarrass them
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    Head to Heads for this round:

    Geel 2.90 vs Coll 1.42

    Kangas 2.18 vs Melb 1.68

    Adelaide 1.15 vs Gold Coast 5.5

    Bris 5.0 vs Ess 1.18

    Syd 1.14 vs PA 5.75

    Haw 1.40 vs Stk 2.95

    Bullies 1.7 vs rich 2.15

    West C 2.0 vs Freo 1.80
  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    What'sthe spread on Coll v Geel ?
  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    3 goals it seems.............

    Who am I having a (charity) bet with again ?
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    said:

    What'sthe spread on Coll v Geel ?

    the line is 17.5 pts.
  • JazzHJazzH    314 posts
    Geelong are actually $3.05 on player, which is not bad.
    Remember, no team has yet to win a game coming of a bye yet. Even though Collingwood are clearly better than everyone, do you think this pattern may continue. If so $3.05 is lovely :lol:

    Although, I do agree, Collingwood will probably come out and belt them. -17.5 isnt to bad for the Multi's!


    What are people's thoughts on the derby? West Coast played great against essendon, especially in that 1st half. if they play anything like that they will be a good challenge for Freo!

    Sydney will smash Port Adelaide >39.5

    Bulldogs V Richmond an interesting one... Hard to pick
  • loose_gooseloose_goose    2,135 posts
    said:

    Geelong are actually $3.05 on player, which is not bad.
    Remember, no team has yet to win a game coming of a bye yet. Even though Collingwood are clearly better than everyone, do you think this pattern may continue. If so $3.05 is lovely :lol:

    Although, I do agree, Collingwood will probably come out and belt them. -17.5 isnt to bad for the Multi's!


    What are people's thoughts on the derby? West Coast played great against essendon, especially in that 1st half. if they play anything like that they will be a good challenge for Freo!

    Sydney will smash Port Adelaide >39.5

    Bulldogs V Richmond an interesting one... Hard to pick

    Not entirely correct, St Kilda beat Brisbane off the bye, West Coat beat Melbourne off the bye, Geelomg beat Nth off the bye, hawthorn beat Port off a bye.

    As much as i hate to say it think the Toast will be the Dorkers
  • octaviusoctavius    2,290 posts
    We will win this week, even when Pav and Sandi dominate, the Dockers going to struggle to deal with our press and forward line.

    Lecras to kick a bag.
  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    said:

    We will win this week, even when Pav and Sandi dominate, the Dockers going to struggle to deal with our press and forward line.

    Lecras to kick a bag.

    :lol: :lol: :lol:Who will dominate for your mob ?? midfield about even Mundy,Fyfe,Hill ,Pav,Deboer and Sandi V Cox,Kerr,Priddis,Sheuy ect and the pressure thing mmm well it didnt help in the 2nd half Sunday WENT COLDER THAN A STUBBIE IN ICELAND your mob will get themselves up as they havent won won since Tommy was a boy and lets be honest will never get us better but also we could do an underdog backs to the wall thing and play that card then ambush the Eags , Freo problem will be kicking 15+ goals to win if Pav is playing in the guts we will struggle to kick a score but im tipping a close game cant split it but reckon the Eags should be favs on form
  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    Can't see Lecras kicking a bag on his last two games, he has been disgraceful. Either it was a monumental error bringing him back so quick (although unlikely considering occys expert diagnosis :lol: ), or his team's tweaked game plan has passed him by . . . one season wonder? Just chucking it out there

    What was with Embley last week - was he playing hurt? Considering his form prior, my goodness he was bad
  • octaviusoctavius    2,290 posts
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    Can't see Lecras kicking a bag on his last two games, he has been disgraceful. Either it was a monumental error bringing him back so quick (although unlikely considering occys expert diagnosis :lol: ), or his team's tweaked game plan has passed him by . . . one season wonder? Just chucking it out there

    What was with Embley last week - was he playing hurt? Considering his form prior, my goodness he was bad

    Embley copped a hard tag and was pretty woeful, hopefully he can bounce back this week, reckon McPhee would be a good matchup.

    Surely you're not serious about Lecras, missed a number of weeks and should be getting back to full fitness now with almost two full games into him, looked timid kicking the first week which can be understood.
  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    Lecras just came back from a near DEATH INJURY or thats the way it looked when someone SHOT him :lol: :lol: never seen a bloke go down like that :lol:match fitness suggests he will be near his top DS dont put the mocker on him he will come out and kick 10 now
  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    Broughto will own him
  • JordanJordan    1,827 posts
    said:

    Broughto will own him

    Surely you Jest DS !!!
  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    said:

    Adelaide are value in my opinion the $1.14 if it hangs around is a good little fill up.

    A big risk for little reward for a side that just got beaten by 15 goals by a team that were woeful the previous week.
    AAMI Stadium/Football Park holds no fears for GC either, who are improving. I won't be touching that game.
  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Yes - $1.14 is madness (low)
  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    Injury List as at 9 May 2011

    Hayden Ballantyne - hamstring: test
    Michael Barlow - leg: 4-6 weeks
    Justin Bollenhagen - hamstring: 2-3 weeks
    Zac Clarke - groin: test
    Peter Faulks - calf: test
    Roger Hayden - foot: 6-8 weeks
    Joel Houghton - arm: 7 weeks
    Anthony Morabito - knee: season
    Tendai Mzungu - knee: 2 weeks
    Gavin Roberts - quad: 4-6 weeks
    Tim Ruffles - knee: 4-5
    Alex Silvagni - groin: 2-4 weeks
    Nick Suban - leg: 8 weeks
    Michael Walters - ankle: 1 week

    West Coast may not get a better chance to win one for some time.
    Ballas won't play, Fyfe & Bradley will carry injuries, Jack Anthony & Crowley will be underdone with Subi having a bye last week..... :(
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    who are all those blokes mate, is that your local under 10's? never heard of any of em? :lol:
  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    Funky slow down mate there is only 7 regulars on that list
    Barlow who by the way looked the goods at training yesterday moved well
    Suban,Silvagni,Ballas,Walters,Muzungu probably in the best 22 ] Morabito ,
    But the old saying dont worry about who is not out there worry about who is out there !!!!
    I can see us getting beat in front of goal we will have to kick 15+ to win and with out Ballas down there and Pav in the middle that aint going to happen we will win in the middle i reckon we have a better engine room Sandi,Pav,Mundy,Deboer,Hill and Fyfe but like last week it stands for nothing unless you kick goals and put forward pressure on we failed to both i think the Eags by 20+ points .
  • DecDec    147 posts
    said:

    Injury List as at 9 May 2011

    Hayden Ballantyne - hamstring: test
    Michael Barlow - leg: 4-6 weeks
    Justin Bollenhagen - hamstring: 2-3 weeks
    Zac Clarke - groin: test
    Peter Faulks - calf: test
    Roger Hayden - foot: 6-8 weeks
    Joel Houghton - arm: 7 weeks
    Anthony Morabito - knee: season
    Tendai Mzungu - knee: 2 weeks
    Gavin Roberts - quad: 4-6 weeks
    Tim Ruffles - knee: 4-5
    Alex Silvagni - groin: 2-4 weeks
    Nick Suban - leg: 8 weeks
    Michael Walters - ankle: 1 week

    West Coast may not get a better chance to win one for some time.
    Ballas won't play, Fyfe & Bradley will carry injuries, Jack Anthony & Crowley will be underdone with Subi having a bye last week..... :(

    The excuses aren't coming out already are they? As for even 7 of those in the best 22? :lol: :lol: :lol: 5 at the most, Mzungu and Walters, please!

    Surely a side you had as a flag challenger last week has the depth to cover 5 outs against the reigning wooden spooner, we have 2 of our best 22 out too dont forget. 3 if you count Mackenzie (which I don't).
  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    I can't see Freo tagging any Weagles midfielder, they don't really have any in the A grade category (excl Cox). The only tag they had last week was De Boer on Martin.
    Who goes to LeCras is the big question. Probably Broughton, but that may curb his opportunities to create. Maybe De Boer?
    Jack Anthony will play.

    Weagles will most likely put negaters on Mundy and Pav and a defensive forward on Hill. Mundy & Pav will still get a stack of posessions as will Fyfe (if fit). Freo need several of the passengers from last week to lift.

    Should be a good game. Effective use of the ball should decide the result.
    I've taken Freo by <24.5 in my multi. Couldn't bring myself to take either team <15.5 :P
  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    said:

    said:

    Injury List as at 9 May 2011

    Hayden Ballantyne - hamstring: test
    Michael Barlow - leg: 4-6 weeks
    Justin Bollenhagen - hamstring: 2-3 weeks
    Zac Clarke - groin: test
    Peter Faulks - calf: test
    Roger Hayden - foot: 6-8 weeks
    Joel Houghton - arm: 7 weeks
    Anthony Morabito - knee: season
    Tendai Mzungu - knee: 2 weeks
    Gavin Roberts - quad: 4-6 weeks
    Tim Ruffles - knee: 4-5
    Alex Silvagni - groin: 2-4 weeks
    Nick Suban - leg: 8 weeks
    Michael Walters - ankle: 1 week

    West Coast may not get a better chance to win one for some time.
    Ballas won't play, Fyfe & Bradley will carry injuries, Jack Anthony & Crowley will be underdone with Subi having a bye last week..... :(

    The excuses aren't coming out already are they? As for even 7 of those in the best 22? :lol: :lol: :lol: 5 at the most, Mzungu and Walters, please!

    Surely a side you had as a flag challenger last week has the depth to cover 5 outs against the reigning wooden spooner, we have 2 of our best 22 out too dont forget. 3 if you count Mackenzie (which I don't).
    Longest injury list in the comp. From that list I would have;
    Ballantyne, Barlow, Hayden, Morabito, Mzungu, Silvani, Suban, Walters and maybe Ruffles in my best 22. Yes Ruffles, the guy who beat West Coast in a Derby and did his 2nd ACL in the process. Has done 3 now I think :(
    Yes I think Freo have a lot of depth in its list, which is well and truely being tested atm. Take 8-9 top 22 players from any team and they will struggle. Injuries heavily influence the performance of most teams. That's why i'm quite optimistic about Richmond's chances this week.
    If Freo can win half of their next 4 games and not cop many more injuries then they should be positioned ok to build momentum in the 2nd half the season as several players return.

    As previously stated, this will be the Weagles best chance to beat Freo in a while and for some time to come. Certainly better now than in Round 18 when Freo's list should be looking much healthier and Kerr is out injured again :wink:
  • octaviusoctavius    2,290 posts
    said:

    I can't see Freo tagging any Weagles midfielder, they don't really have any in the A grade category (excl Cox). The only tag they had last week was De Boer on Martin.
    Who goes to LeCras is the big question. Probably Broughton, but that may curb his opportunities to create. Maybe De Boer?
    Jack Anthony will play.

    Weagles will most likely put negaters on Mundy and Pav and a defensive forward on Hill. Mundy & Pav will still get a stack of posessions as will Fyfe (if fit). Freo need several of the passengers from last week to lift.

    Should be a good game. Effective use of the ball should decide the result.
    I've taken Freo by <24.5 in my multi. Couldn't bring myself to take either team <15.5 :P

    You would be silly not to tag Kerr and Embley.

    Scott to Hill, Adam to Pav, Priddis will prob go head to head with Mundy.

    And Dec, what have you got against Emac? He is going to be a very good full back, very similar to Glass. He is good 1 on 1, can take a contested mark and had been very good before his injury.

    He has had a few brain fades in previous years but his decision making and skills have improved, he is very important for us.

    Glass is now taking the 3rd tall and Brown and Emac are playing the key positions, ala the Fletcher /Scarlett setup. This helps our young blokes to develop and allows Glass to be the third man in at times.

    Schofield is horrible against the bigger key forwards and if Mackenize is out for a decent period of time (which I have a feeling he will be) we are in big trouble. Luckily Freo and Bulldogs aren't blessed with quality key forwards.
  • DecDec    147 posts
    said:

    said:

    said:

    Injury List as at 9 May 2011

    Hayden Ballantyne - hamstring: test
    Michael Barlow - leg: 4-6 weeks
    Justin Bollenhagen - hamstring: 2-3 weeks
    Zac Clarke - groin: test
    Peter Faulks - calf: test
    Roger Hayden - foot: 6-8 weeks
    Joel Houghton - arm: 7 weeks
    Anthony Morabito - knee: season
    Tendai Mzungu - knee: 2 weeks
    Gavin Roberts - quad: 4-6 weeks
    Tim Ruffles - knee: 4-5
    Alex Silvagni - groin: 2-4 weeks
    Nick Suban - leg: 8 weeks
    Michael Walters - ankle: 1 week

    West Coast may not get a better chance to win one for some time.
    Ballas won't play, Fyfe & Bradley will carry injuries, Jack Anthony & Crowley will be underdone with Subi having a bye last week..... :(

    The excuses aren't coming out already are they? As for even 7 of those in the best 22? :lol: :lol: :lol: 5 at the most, Mzungu and Walters, please!

    Surely a side you had as a flag challenger last week has the depth to cover 5 outs against the reigning wooden spooner, we have 2 of our best 22 out too dont forget. 3 if you count Mackenzie (which I don't).
    Longest injury list in the comp. From that list I would have;
    Ballantyne, Barlow, Hayden, Morabito, Mzungu, Silvani, Suban, Walters and maybe Ruffles in my best 22. Yes Ruffles, the guy who beat West Coast in a Derby and did his 2nd ACL in the process. Has done 3 now I think :(
    Yes I think Freo have a lot of depth in its list, which is well and truely being tested atm. Take 8-9 top 22 players from any team and they will struggle. Injuries heavily influence the performance of most teams. That's why i'm quite optimistic about Richmond's chances this week.
    If Freo can win half of their next 4 games and not cop many more injuries then they should be positioned ok to build momentum in the 2nd half the season as several players return.

    As previously stated, this will be the Weagles best chance to beat Freo in a while and for some time to come. Certainly better now than in Round 18 when Freo's list should be looking much healthier and Kerr is out injured again :wink:
    8 or 9 in the best 22?? Give me a break. Tell you what, tell me the 8 or 9 players you would take out of last week's side then to fit them in.
  • DecDec    147 posts
    said:

    said:

    I can't see Freo tagging any Weagles midfielder, they don't really have any in the A grade category (excl Cox). The only tag they had last week was De Boer on Martin.
    Who goes to LeCras is the big question. Probably Broughton, but that may curb his opportunities to create. Maybe De Boer?
    Jack Anthony will play.

    Weagles will most likely put negaters on Mundy and Pav and a defensive forward on Hill. Mundy & Pav will still get a stack of posessions as will Fyfe (if fit). Freo need several of the passengers from last week to lift.

    Should be a good game. Effective use of the ball should decide the result.
    I've taken Freo by <24.5 in my multi. Couldn't bring myself to take either team <15.5 :P

    You would be silly not to tag Kerr and Embley.

    Scott to Hill, Adam to Pav, Priddis will prob go head to head with Mundy.

    And Dec, what have you got against Emac? He is going to be a very good full back, very similar to Glass. He is good 1 on 1, can take a contested mark and had been very good before his injury.

    He has had a few brain fades in previous years but his decision making and skills have improved, he is very important for us.

    Glass is now taking the 3rd tall and Brown and Emac are playing the key positions, ala the Fletcher /Scarlett setup. This helps our young blokes to develop and allows Glass to be the third man in at times.

    Schofield is horrible against the bigger key forwards and if Mackenize is out for a decent period of time (which I have a feeling he will be) we are in big trouble. Luckily Freo and Bulldogs aren't blessed with quality key forwards.
    Yes I agree that he should come back in when he's fit if Brown's out, I have nothing against him especially, he is improved and yes he's good one on one but against most sides i dont think you can take glass, brown and mackenzie in. For me if they're all fit - glass and brown and schofield as the flexible tall or small option.
  • octaviusoctavius    2,290 posts
    said:

    Yes I agree that he should come back in when he's fit if Brown's out, I have nothing against him especially, he is improved and yes he's good one on one but against most sides i dont think you can take glass, brown and mackenzie in. For me if they're all fit - glass and brown and schofield as the flexible tall or small option.

    Schofield improved last year but has been horrible this year, he is becoming the next Spangher.

    Glass won't be around much longer so Emac and Brown need to be ready to take over sooner rather than later, no use denying them games.

    Some teams will have 3 talls to cover some won't, but I think people make too much of Schofields flexibility, it means nothing if he is hopeless.

    We need to draft another key back next year for cover in case we get injuries to Brown or Mackenzie, perhaps even just a mature aged rookie for depth.

    I also wouldn't be surprised if Brown leaves next year although in the paper today he says he wants to stay, contract up and I have my doubts.
  • DecDec    147 posts
    Schofield's not my favourite either, maybe the flexibility thing is overdone, to me we just seem too tall with glass, brown & mackenzie all in the same side.

    Still havent seen those 8 or 9 Dockers who are making way for the blokes coming in!
  • octaviusoctavius    2,290 posts
    Hayden Ballantyne - hamstring: test
    Michael Barlow - leg: 4-6 weeks
    Justin Bollenhagen - hamstring: 2-3 weeks
    Zac Clarke - groin: test
    Peter Faulks - calf: test
    Roger Hayden - foot: 6-8 weeks
    Joel Houghton - arm: 7 weeks
    Anthony Morabito - knee: season
    Tendai Mzungu - knee: 2 weeks
    Gavin Roberts - quad: 4-6 weeks
    Tim Ruffles - knee: 4-5
    Alex Silvagni - groin: 2-4 weeks
    Nick Suban - leg: 8 weeks
    Michael Walters - ankle: 1 week

    The bolded ones are certainly best 22, the rest are fringe players, going forward not sure how many games Hayden will get anymore, need to start to looking to the future.

    Yes you have a big injury list, but most of those players are not key personnel.
  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    Silvagni,Hayden ??? yes maybe Walters and Muzungu are borderline as i say worry about who is there not who isnt and agree with Occy we have to tag Kerr thats a monty and Doboer will get that gig but not Embley happy to cut him loose he wont hurt us
  • octaviusoctavius    2,290 posts
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    Silvagni,Hayden ??? yes maybe Walters and Muzungu are borderline as i say worry about who is there not who isnt and agree with Occy we have to tag Kerr thats a monty and Doboer will get that gig but not Embley happy to cut him loose he wont hurt us

    You are overrating Silvagni.

    Hayden is probably best 22, but with him, Grover and Mcpharlin all over 30 in your back half you better start developing some key defenders to take over because I see nothing, Faulks is average and Silvagni is a 3rd tall.

    Embley been kicking plenty of goals this year, beware.
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