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CANFORD CLIFFS goes to stud

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burntcaviarburntcaviar    103 posts
edited November -1 East Coast Racing
After having its heart broken by Frankel CANFORD CLIFFS has gone to stud

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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    5-Time Gr1-Winner Canford Cliffs Retired To Stud

    Also in the UK overnight, trainer Richard Hannon confirmed 5-time Gr1-winning Irish-bred 4YO entire Canford Cliffs (Tagula-Mrs Marsh, by Marju) ?has been retired to stud on veterinary advice after suffering a near-fore pastern injury when chasing home Frankel in last week's Gr1 Sussex Stakes at Glorious Goodwood? reported racingpost.com. Canford Cliffs (who had won 5 successive Gr1 races before last week's defeat) ?will stand next year at Coolmore, his owner Robin Heffer having sold a half-share to Michael Tabor & Derrick Smith at the end of last year?. Hannon declared: ?Canford Cliffs was a very rare type in that he had such great early speed as a 2YO, but also stretched out to be a superb miler as a 3YO & 4YO. He is without doubt the best horse I have had in over 40 years as a trainer. It?s bitterly disappointing for his owners & for everyone here in East Everleigh that he had to be retired due to injury, but at least it does explain why he hung so badly at Goodwood. We were very much looking forward to taking on Frankel again.? Canford Cliffs was a ?46,000 (A$62,000) weanling at the 2007 Goffs November Sale & later a ?50,000 (A$75,000) yearling at the 2008 Doncaster August Sale. Overall Canford Cliffs reties with 7 wins (including June?s Gr1 Queen Anne Stakes over 8 furlongs at Royal Ascot & May?s Gr1 Lockinge Stakes over 8 furlongs at Newbury, plus 2010's Gr1 Sussex Stakes over 8 furlongs at Goodwood, Gr1 St James's Palace Stakes over 8 furlongs at Royal Ascot & Gr1 Irish 2000 Guineas over 8 furlongs at The Curragh, as well as 2009's UK Gr2 Coventry Stakes over 6 furlongs at Royal Ascot) & 4 placings (including his final start in the Gr1 Sussex Stakes over 8 furlongs at Goodwood, plus 2010's UK Gr1 2000 Guineas over 8 furlongs at Newmarket & Gr3 Greenham Stakes over 7 furlongs at Newbury, as well as 2009's French Gr1 Prix Morny over 1200m at Deauville) from 11 starts for ?951,724 (A$1.428m) earnings. (Aug 5)

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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    LMFAO! :lol:
    So Frankel beat a horse that was running on 3 legs last start :!:
    Adds further doubt to Frankel's over-hyped credentials.... :roll:
  • FRANKEL is the destroyer

    any horse who trys to match it with him - will find itself doing an injury

    shame for CANFORD CLIFFS but no doubt a warning to others
  • HenleyBrookHenleyBrook    408 posts
    Frankel only won by half a head the start before this one under hard riding!
  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    said:

    FRANKEL is the destroyer

    any horse who trys to match it with him - will find itself doing an injury

    shame for CANFORD CLIFFS but no doubt a warning to others

    Sounds like something John McCririck would say :P
  • tonytony    2,438 posts
    said:

    Frankel only won by half a head the start before this one under hard riding!

    You obviously watched a different race than that which Frankel raced in.
  • it really amuses me when people bag a champion - obviously dirty coz they have layed it on betfair or something
  • World Thoroughbred Rankings
    Leading Horses 1 Feb to 31 July 2011
    Rank Horse Rating Trained
    1 Frankel (GB) (Galileo) 135 GB
    2 Black Caviar (AUS) (Bel Esprit) 130 AUS
    3 Canford Cliffs (IRE) (Tagula) 127 GB
    3 Nathaniel (IRE) (Galileo) 127 GB
    3 Rewilding (GB) (Tiger Hill) 127 GB
    6 So You Think (NZ) (High Chaparral) 126 IRE
    7 Rocket Man (AUS) (Viscount) 125 SIN
    7 Workforce (GB) (King?s Best) 125 GB
    9 Dick Turpin (IRE) (Arkan) 124 GB
    9 Goldikova (IRE) (Anabaa) 124 FR
  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    said:

    World Thoroughbred Rankings
    Leading Horses 1 Feb to 31 July 2011
    Rank Horse Rating Trained
    1 Frankel (GB) (Galileo) 135 GB
    2 Black Caviar (AUS) (Bel Esprit) 130 AUS
    3 Canford Cliffs (IRE) (Tagula) 127 GB
    3 Nathaniel (IRE) (Galileo) 127 GB
    3 Rewilding (GB) (Tiger Hill) 127 GB
    6 So You Think (NZ) (High Chaparral) 126 IRE
    7 Rocket Man (AUS) (Viscount) 125 SIN
    7 Workforce (GB) (King?s Best) 125 GB
    9 Dick Turpin (IRE) (Arkan) 124 GB
    9 Goldikova (IRE) (Anabaa) 124 FR

    Interesting that no US, HK or Japanese horses get a mention.....
    Shows how biased the IFHA is. No surprise given it's based in France and dominated by Europeans with rose coloured glasses on. :roll:
  • Which US, HK or Japanese horses would you havee in the top 10?
  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    said:

    Which US, HK or Japanese horses would you havee in the top 10?

    NFI, but personally I would rate the standard of racing in those 3 countries superior to that in Europe. Sorry don't rate 4 horse races.
    I'd give more credence to a prizemoney based top 10.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,016 posts
    said:

    said:

    Which US, HK or Japanese horses would you havee in the top 10?

    NFI, but personally I would rate the standard of racing in those 3 countries superior to that in Europe. Sorry don't rate 4 horse races.
    I'd give more credence to a prizemoney based top 10.
    Agree. Would also suggest that having entires, sometimes as many as 50% of the field from one yard, and almost no geldings entered, really makes these Group events nothing more than stallion making setups.
  • said:

    said:

    Which US, HK or Japanese horses would you havee in the top 10?

    NFI, but personally I would rate the standard of racing in those 3 countries superior to that in Europe. Sorry don't rate 4 horse races.
    I'd give more credence to a prizemoney based top 10.
    if prizemoney was the sole criteria the same 10 races would decide the world rankings every year

    and its hardly the horses fault if there no other trainers want to race against it

    Frankels 3yo year has proven to be the strongest in many many years - a lot of the horses it has smashed have gone on to beat older horses in Group races including Nathaniel
  • HenleyBrookHenleyBrook    408 posts
    I wasn't bagging the horse Burnt Caviar. I was just saying stating that another horse got within arms reach of Frankel at one of its starts which was a great effort. The horse isn't a black caviar whom blows everything out of the water at every start.

    Personally, middle distance and staying races in the UK are a joke. They crawl out of the gates and I agree with Damien Wyer with his comments. As a subsequence, So You Think got beaten by stupid team riding tactics. The feature sprints in the UK however are amazing to watch and are very credible.

    You look at the Kentucky Derby and the spring middle distance and staying features in australia...they are run at such a hot clip that the toughest and fittest of horses are the only ones competitive. Mahler is the last english import i know of which could handle the staying pace in australia in the melbourne cup.
  • Didnt you watch the 2000 guineas that FRANKEL won

    here it is on YOUTUBE -

    please tell me they dwadled in that???
  • RazorSharpRazorSharp    439 posts
    Was pretty obvious that something was amiss with Canford when he hung out so bad, never would have beaten Frankel that day, but certainly would have finished much closer.
  • RazorSharpRazorSharp    439 posts
    said:

    FRANKEL is the destroyer

    any horse who trys to match it with him - will find itself doing an injury

    shame for CANFORD CLIFFS but no doubt a warning to others

    lol very funny or are you serious?
  • ChrisChris    5,736 posts
    :shock:
  • edited August 2011
    said:

    Was pretty obvious that something was amiss with Canford when he hung out so bad, never would have beaten Frankel that day, but certainly would have finished much closer.

    seen heaps of horses hang out like that under extreme pressure - does not always mean they are injured

    strange how the injury wasnt announced within the days after the race but then later when they decided he has to be retired he has all of a sudden had an injury which excuses his defeat

    Racing Post quote
    Speaking to his website, Hannon said that a "scan revealed that he had a shadow on his pastern, which could cause serious damage if we had gone on with him".

    He added: "Canford Cliffs is too great a horse to take chances with, and I would hate anything even more serious to go wrong, so we have taken the decision to stop before the problems exacerbate.



    quote from a UK source (which sums the situation up)
    The funniest thing is Canford Cliffs isn't actually injured. The X-Ray showed a shadow which in turn could turn out to be nothing its just its a risk they don't want to take. RH said before the Sussex that CC was bouncing and primed. He was just beaten...
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