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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    Thats a shame but as most suspected it seamed to good to be true .
    After reading todays West seem near on nothing coming from East ,Ortensia will come now but thats about it ,Darley not coming,Albert The Fat is heading to Dubai ,Testa my Patience paddock,what a shame it looked like a real good carnival with good Eatern Staters heading over but not now oh well,Ranger,Luckygrey,hopefully Barakey i have taken 6s will all race well .
  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    so despite the weird and ridiculous way the race got g1 status, it will likely be g3 or listed at best as per normal.
    maybe they should preface g1 with "p"......either "p"erth or "p"retend
    i'd favour the latter myself.
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    Disappointing, but Marty just needs to get on the phone to Francesca now and all will be fixed! :wink:
  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    said:

    Disappointing, but Marty just needs to get on the phone to Francesca now and all will be fixed! :wink:

    :lol: :lol: :lol: we will chip in for the flight dont worry about a hotel she can stay at mine im sure the wife wont mind :wink:
  • motivatedmotivated    334 posts
    Was never coming boys as i alluded to in an earlier post...very disappointing would have been great to see her, was hoping my mail was wrong.
  • coastalchillcoastalchill    126 posts
    Not much point her coming if Barakey wasn't going up against her.All due respect to other runners but would of looked like a exhibition gallop.I would love to think the likes of Mabel Grace etc. would give her a run for her money but at least she would have drawn the crowds.I think it was always a no show.
  • PieManPieMan    271 posts
    I'm glad I watched her at Mooney Valley then.
    What a shame. It would of been great for Perth Racing.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,016 posts
    Disappointing, but not really surprising. In recent times the promises haven't materialised, and I think Perth is just a place too hard for most Eastern States stables.

    So for those who bought tickets, hope you enjoy the day.
  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    said:

    so despite the weird and ridiculous way the race got g1 status, it will likely be g3 or listed at best as per normal.
    maybe they should preface g1 with "p"......either "p"erth or "p"retend
    i'd favour the latter myself.

    Carey your a classic :lol: :lol:
  • rot8inrot8in    1,881 posts
    said:

    said:

    Disappointing, but Marty just needs to get on the phone to Francesca now and all will be fixed! :wink:

    :lol: :lol: :lol: we will chip in for the flight dont worry about a hotel she can stay at mine im sure the wife wont mind :wink:
    :lol: :lol:
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    it will still be the best day of racing on our calendar.
  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    said:

    said:

    so despite the weird and ridiculous way the race got g1 status, it will likely be g3 or listed at best as per normal.
    maybe they should preface g1 with "p"......either "p"erth or "p"retend
    i'd favour the latter myself.

    Carey your a classic :lol: :lol:
    but it's a wasted effort on my part dungy, because nobody takes the bait any more.
    once i could draw heaps of abuse, but those days are sadly done, maybe the westerners are mainly in agreeance these days.
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,505 posts
    imo this whole bc thing took on a life of its own....possibly an off the cuff statement after one of her wins the world "winterbottom" is mentoned and then it took on legs....
    a wise old bugger like me always said there was a snowball in hells chance of her coming. the connections would be bonkers to come over here.
  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    said:

    said:

    said:

    so despite the weird and ridiculous way the race got g1 status, it will likely be g3 or listed at best as per normal.
    maybe they should preface g1 with "p"......either "p"erth or "p"retend
    i'd favour the latter myself.

    Carey your a classic :lol: :lol:
    but it's a wasted effort on my part dungy, because nobody takes the bait any more.
    once i could draw heaps of abuse, but those days are sadly done, maybe the westerners are mainly in agreeance these days.
    Same could be said about most of Black Caviar's races Carey with the amount of quality horses that elect to dodge her, or the numerous 4-5 horse Gr 1 fields in the UK....
    Unfortunately the lack of availability of flights, the distance, potential Perth heat and hard track are seen as too big a risk for many e/s horses.

    I see that Chris Waller stated that PR close noms too early and that they should delay it til after the Melb carnival
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,016 posts
    I'm told a speech was made to the Members at the AGM on the Black Caviar media circus arriving next week, and the anticipated windfall that would come of her participating.

    So is this episode to become the first excuse of the returned administration on what will become a litany of potholes on the road to the next election ?

    Perth Racing were throwing figures around of 30,000 on course, if I had to guess now, I would say between 4,000 and 6,000 will attend what will become not much more than an ordinary Saturday in an ordinary Racing Carnival.

    I know there is a band playing, sorry but I have never heard of them, my partner tells me that they sing some song or something but then she is more in the target audience than I am.

    The only thing 'Super' about this Saturday meeting, will be the price of admission.
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,505 posts
    ....and the price of drinks, Damien. Absolute daylight robbery...
    Who in their right mind would pay 35 bucks for a bottle of yellowglen. An inferior "bubble" at about 8 bucks in Liquorland.
    Don't get me started on the swill...err "food"... :x
  • chocchoc    789 posts
    said:

    I'm told a speech was made to the Members at the AGM on the Black Caviar media circus arriving next week, and the anticipated windfall that would come of her participating.

    So is this episode to become the first excuse of the returned administration on what will become a litany of potholes on the road to the next election ?

    Perth Racing were throwing figures around of 30,000 on course, if I had to guess now, I would say between 4,000 and 6,000 will attend what will become not much more than an ordinary Saturday in an ordinary Racing Carnival.

    I know there is a band playing, sorry but I have never heard of them, my partner tells me that they sing some song or something but then she is more in the target audience than I am.

    The only thing 'Super' about this Saturday meeting, will be the price of admission.

    C'mon, its still a superb 10 race programme featuring two of our annual three Group Ones, and a decent looking Guineas field in addition.
    The Railway Meeting usually pulls in 8,000 minimum crowds, regardless of interstate entrants and/or Jimmy Barnes.
    Potbelleez not a bad get (if your into it), but dont undersell our main race day.
    Predicting 12,000 min, with a little fine weather and the firmer committment of some of the names bandied around at this stage from the East.

    Admission and food/drink prices are another story entirely...
    still looking forward to the day
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    Its easy to say she was never coming now. Put the shoe on the other foot. She was still a very good chance of coming as of Saturday morning. PR have no control over the conditions in Melbourne on the day, the way she pulled up etc. I have no doubt that if she won by 5 and pulled up great, she had a better than even chance of coming for the winterbottom.
    things didnt work out.
    I dont think we should sink the boots in with hindsight.

    If PR didnt promote the hell out of it.....they would have been negligent.
    Still some nice horses coming over.

    Ortensia just won a listed race on Saturday. Albert The Fat won the Emirates on Saturday, He's Remarkable won a $100k race on Saturday. Rarefied 2nd in a Group 2 the other day by a whisker.
    These are good horses and theyre in form.
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,505 posts
    I doubt if she was ever coming..as i said, it just grew legs.
    OK..think about it...she was going to arrive tomorrow, where was she to be stabled?
    Did an advance party from the Moodie camp come to check on everything?
    Was her feed and water sent over?

    Whatever..it will still be a super saturday...
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    there are a number getting on the plane tomorrow.
    yes, their stabling is all sorted and their feeds and staff accomodation are sorted too.
    cant see any reason why black caviar's wasnt tentatively organised aswell.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,016 posts
    I don't think this is a case of sticking the boots in, far from it. I actually believe that some connections are led to believe that this is good for racing, to say right up until the last moment that 'we are coming'. What would be a better course of action would be to nominate as an option, but be up front and say that it is a long campaign and we have set goals in sight for next year. Should she be jumping out of her skin we will come, but in all likelyhood, most probably not.

    Again I put it to you that this is the same case each and every year, that something is coming, and it is not. Promises are made and broken just as quickly, with as little value as the breath in which they are written on.

    So as an alternative, how is this for a marketing idea ? We have a Group 1 $500,000 race, all expenses paid if you declare, if you don't want to nominate because you are not serious, who cares. Your loss. But if you are serious about running in Perth, give us a call. We are not going to chase you.

    If you don't nominate or declare, we will assume the you think you are not good enough. Doubt you would have beaten the locals anyway.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,016 posts
    :D

    LOL

    You know what I mean .........
  • PhelpsPhelps    42 posts
    The whole exercise has possibly back fired on 2 fronts for Perth Racing.
    With the big push for BC having the effect of scaring the interstate opposition and then maybe the concerted effort put into getting her has come at the expense of neglecting other possible entries.

    PS: The return of the 2010 Winterbottom winner the other week, Hababeclorka, probably also didn't help, fair dinks!
  • shame she isn't coming ...
    although heard moody has always hated the perth track and believed it to be too hard.. this would be the main reason i think
  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    I was surprised it was on the radar for them, I remember Moody being gobsmacked at the track care practices here a few years ago, he blew a gasket when he saw them rolling the inside lane between races
  • HenleyBrookHenleyBrook    408 posts
    oh well, it will be a very good chance for one of the entires to steal two group 1s on the card and go to stud. Hence why i thought Darley would have a forward showing at ascot. Also there are alot of entires over east that are hitting the age of 5/6 that have been narrowly missing the group 1 jackpots this spring. why not have one last crack at ascot...

    I honestly thought the apache cat/takeover target showdown was the beginning of things. Mind you, the WATC has given the eastern state trainers everything on a platter.... very suprised to say the least...
  • DownTheBackDownTheBack    96 posts
    She was never coming , ascot as we know is a tricky track and the way barakey is flying they don't want any chance of her getting beaten .
    So she can keep running her little contrived races over east .
    Kingston town won over all distances and beat legends and came to perth on 3 legs and was wide all they way and won the western mail classic(kingston town classic)
    Now That's a Champion!!!!!!
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,505 posts
    i suggested to marty young that she come for an exhibition gallop.
    That would give her the flying experience and still get the punters thu the gate.
    That suggestion was made weeks ago...she was never, ever going to come...despite the owners wanting a tour of the wineries. They can still come for that & still be feted in the committee room.
  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
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    She was never coming , ascot as we know is a tricky track and the way barakey is flying they don't want any chance of her getting beaten .
    So she can keep running her little contrived races over east . :lol: :lol:
    Kingston town won over all distances and beat legends and came to perth on 3 legs and was wide all they way and won the western mail classic(kingston town classic)
    Now That's a Champion!!!!!!

    :lol: :lol: :lol: And what has Barakey beaten over here ??cmon mate
  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
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    Its easy to say she was never coming now. Put the shoe on the other foot. She was still a very good chance of coming as of Saturday morning. PR have no control over the conditions in Melbourne on the day, the way she pulled up etc. I have no doubt that if she won by 5 and pulled up great, she had a better than even chance of coming for the winterbottom.
    things didnt work out.
    I dont think we should sink the boots in with hindsight.

    If PR didnt promote the hell out of it.....they would have been negligent.
    Still some nice horses coming over.

    Ortensia just won a listed race on Saturday. Albert The Fat won the Emirates on Saturday, He's Remarkable won a $100k race on Saturday. Rarefied 2nd in a Group 2 the other day by a whisker.
    These are good horses and theyre in form.

    Fatman not coming now as well its really fallen away now its a shame Marty Young has worked his tail of to get a few here i hope Wall St still comes
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