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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    I just looked at Damien's pics. Looks pretty conclusive to me; He's Remarkable holds his line 1.5 horses off the fence, Big Ted crowds Waratah's causing the interference, He's Remarkable shifts out and takes the run AFTER Waratah's has been checked thereby creating the run for HR.
    Or am I missing something :?:
    Based on that the stewards have made one almighty stuff up! :oops:

    I suggest you take your blinkers off and have a look too DT :idea:
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  • DarkDark    909 posts
    Carey its just clicked why the descent towards me - coming off second best when we were debating the MORANT / OUR LARRIKIN protest.

    Its all become clear.
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  • GhurkaGhurka    254 posts
    said:

    I just looked at Damien's pics. Looks pretty conclusive to me; He's Remarkable holds his line 1.5 horses off the fence, Big Ted crowds Waratah's causing the interference, He's Remarkable shifts out and takes the run AFTER Waratah's has been checked thereby creating the run for HR.
    Or am I missing something :?:
    Based on that the stewards have made one almighty stuff up! :oops:

    I suggest you take your blinkers off and have a look too DT :idea:

    He draw barrier 1, how did he get 1.5 horses off fence.
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  • DarkDark    909 posts
    said:

    I just looked at Damien's pics. Looks pretty conclusive to me; He's Remarkable holds his line 1.5 horses off the fence, Big Ted crowds Waratah's causing the interference, He's Remarkable shifts out and takes the run AFTER Waratah's has been checked thereby creating the run for HR.
    Or am I missing something :?:
    Based on that the stewards have made one almighty stuff up! :oops:

    I suggest you take your blinkers off and have a look too DT :idea:

    Funkster - i dont have a view one way or another, all i asked when the thread was started was that people please provide some facts / evidence to support there argument, because there are a hell of a lot of people talking through their pocket with no logic to their rant.
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    said:

    Carey its just clicked why the descent towards me - coming off second best when we were debating the MORANT / OUR LARRIKIN protest.

    Its all become clear.

    well then you best show me, because i don't recall any such thing.
    and even if it's true it would have no bearing on it why you're finished to me.
    i can't even recall the protest, so you are wrong.
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  • DarkDark    909 posts
    said:

    said:

    Carey its just clicked why the descent towards me - coming off second best when we were debating the MORANT / OUR LARRIKIN protest.

    Its all become clear.

    well then you best show me, because i don't recall any such thing.
    and even if it's true it would have no bearing on it why you're finished to me.
    i can't even recall the protest, so you are wrong.
    Well i'll mark today down as a black day in my life :cry:
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    went back and read some of it and i had forgotten all about it.
    i couldn't care less if people don't agree with me, it's their right to be wrong!
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  • DarkDark    909 posts
    Does that cause you angst Carey, knowing that you can be (are) wrong when it comes to racing?

    I must say i find that surprising, because one of the things that sets winners in this game apart from losers is the ability to recognise (and admit) when they are wrong.
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    oh dear, you take it too literally.
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
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    He draw barrier 1, how did he get 1.5 horses off fence.

    Quite easily, he shifted out 1/2 a horse when there was room to do so and then simply held his line around the bend
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  • Unknown
    edited November 2011
    said:

    I just looked at Damien's pics. Looks pretty conclusive to me; He's Remarkable holds his line 1.5 horses off the fence, Big Ted crowds Waratah's causing the interference, He's Remarkable shifts out and takes the run AFTER Waratah's has been checked thereby creating the run for HR.
    Or am I missing something :?:
    Based on that the stewards have made one almighty stuff up! :oops:

    I suggest you take your blinkers off and have a look too DT :idea:

    Why would McEvoy say that BOTH Big Ted and He's R caused interference if its conclusive from those pics that he never caused interference, obviously he has no idea where he was :wink:

    He's Remarkable was moving from on the fence to 1.5 off the fence for over a furlong

    I suggest you take your blinkers off and have a look too Funk
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  • DarkDark    909 posts
    said:

    oh dear, you take it too literally.

    You said it in jest but clearly you believe it.
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    said:

    said:

    I just looked at Damien's pics. Looks pretty conclusive to me; He's Remarkable holds his line 1.5 horses off the fence, Big Ted crowds Waratah's causing the interference, He's Remarkable shifts out and takes the run AFTER Waratah's has been checked thereby creating the run for HR.
    Or am I missing something :?:
    Based on that the stewards have made one almighty stuff up! :oops:

    I suggest you take your blinkers off and have a look too DT :idea:

    Why would McEvoy say that BOTH Big Ted and He's R caused interference if its conclusive from those pics that he never caused interference, obviously he has no idea where he was :wink:

    He's Remarkable was moving from on the fence to 1.5 off the fence for over a furlong

    I suggest you take your blinkers off and have a look too Funk
    No disputing any of those points.
    At the point of the significant interference HR was ALREADY 1.5 off the fence and HOLDING his line.
    HR did cause some minor interference - approx 25-50m later to Big Ted when coming out, well after the significant interference to WS caused by Big Ted.
    I suggest Kerrin got a bit confused: Did he shift out when making his run - YES. Did his shifting out cause the significant interference to several other runners - NO.
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    said:

    said:

    I just looked at Damien's pics. Looks pretty conclusive to me; He's Remarkable holds his line 1.5 horses off the fence, Big Ted crowds Waratah's causing the interference, He's Remarkable shifts out and takes the run AFTER Waratah's has been checked thereby creating the run for HR.
    Or am I missing something :?:
    Based on that the stewards have made one almighty stuff up! :oops:

    I suggest you take your blinkers off and have a look too DT :idea:

    Why would McEvoy say that BOTH Big Ted and He's R caused interference if its conclusive from those pics that he never caused interference, obviously he has no idea where he was :wink:

    He's Remarkable was moving from on the fence to 1.5 off the fence for over a furlong

    I suggest you take your blinkers off and have a look too Funk
    pb you are talking rubbish.
    hr was never on the rail close to when the interference occurred.
    it was half off, and it was half off straight after, and then he started coming out, but the damage had happened.
    did i say you were speaking nonsense?
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  • RadmanRadman    1,992 posts
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    I suggest Kerrin got a bit confused: Did he shift out when making his run - YES. Did his shifting out cause the significant interference to several other runners - NO.

    Haha, yeah. Poor Kerrin got confused, that must be it. :lol:

    The arguments have become nonsensical.
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    Clear for all to see:
    http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.240300836034929.62050.109650695766611&type=3
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  • Unknown
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    said:

    said:

    I just looked at Damien's pics. Looks pretty conclusive to me; He's Remarkable holds his line 1.5 horses off the fence, Big Ted crowds Waratah's causing the interference, He's Remarkable shifts out and takes the run AFTER Waratah's has been checked thereby creating the run for HR.
    Or am I missing something :?:
    Based on that the stewards have made one almighty stuff up! :oops:

    I suggest you take your blinkers off and have a look too DT :idea:

    Why would McEvoy say that BOTH Big Ted and He's R caused interference if its conclusive from those pics that he never caused interference, obviously he has no idea where he was :wink:

    He's Remarkable was moving from on the fence to 1.5 off the fence for over a furlong

    I suggest you take your blinkers off and have a look too Funk
    pb you are talking rubbish.
    hr was never on the rail close to when the interference occurred.
    it was half off, and it was half off straight after, and then he started coming out, but the damage had happened.
    did i say you were speaking nonsense?
    McEvoy was on and off the fence for a furlong

    at the 900 crossing he was clearly 1 horse off the fence, then back to 1/2 a horse then back to the fence all within 100mts, then at the 600 clearly moved out a horse..

    I might talk nonsense but clearly not as much as you :o
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  • Rogue_GreenRogue_Green    294 posts
    Ahhh but can you prove it was HR that caused what happened??. As I have asked and as a semipro puter you will have the coverage no doubt, which leg did WS first stumble from? If it was n/f then no probs HR caused it. If o/f then it must have come from outside for reasons I have already stated. Without the overhead veiw we get from melbourne during there big carnival the only way to define who done what is by looking at just which leg WS firstly stumbled from. Surely you can agree HR was not far enough across WS to take out his o/f?.

    More importantly, how do you become a Semipro punter? Do you put this on your immigration card when you enter the Country? Do you declare your winnings to the tax man? Mmm intriguing!
    And how do i apply for this position??
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    of course he can't.
    pb has NO credibility, because it's plainly obvious he is not impartial, and only seeing what he wants to see rather than what actually happened.

    so whenever pb opens his mouth in future i will know not to take any notice of him.
    of course we are all idiots except for those that can see things that NEVER happened.
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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    How could any pro-uphelder truthfully state that anything that HR did at that point SOLELY caused the WS stumble???

    If he did (HR the only reason for stumble), fair enough, would still be an iffy decision (indirect through 3 horses etc), but probably correct.

    But when other factors (like BT shift in) POSSIBLY or even PROBABLY contributed . . . . how on earth could you have NO DOUBT (upheld).

    Pro-uphelders are either biased, haven't watched it properly or have NFI.

    We've had 4 days to sort out the mechanics of the HR, BT and WS ruckus and there is still conjecture . . . . you're telling me in 40 min the panel had absolutely NO DOUBT.

    BALONEY

    I dare you guys to affirm that first statement.
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  • GhurkaGhurka    254 posts
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    How could any pro-uphelder truthfully state that anything that HR did at that point SOLELY caused the WS stumble???

    If he did (HR the only reason for stumble), fair enough, would still be an iffy decision (indirect through 3 horses etc), but probably correct.

    But when other factors (like BT shift in) POSSIBLY or even PROBABLY contributed . . . . how on earth could you have NO DOUBT (upheld).

    Pro-uphelders are either biased, haven't watched it properly or have NFI.

    We've had 4 days to sort out the mechanics of the HR, BT and WS ruckus and there is still conjecture . . . . you're telling me in 40 min the panel had absolutely NO DOUBT.

    BALONEY

    I dare you guys to affirm that first statement.

    Conceited view.
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  • Unknown
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    of course he can't.
    pb has NO credibility, because it's plainly obvious he is not impartial, and only seeing what he wants to see rather than what actually happened.

    so whenever pb opens his mouth in future i will know not to take any notice of him.
    of course we are all idiots except for those that can see things that NEVER happened.

    cant what?

    All I pointed out to you is that McEvoy was on and off the fence
    "He's Remarkable was moving from on the fence to 1.5 off the fence for over a furlong"
    Carey you said that was nonsense, but that is a fact

    I would have thought he would have stumbled on the leg he was leading on, what leg he stumbled on means very little to me,
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    Surely the connections will appeal the decision and the outcome will no doubt be reversed.
    The stewards then need to be bought to account for how poorly they handled this fiasco.
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  • Unknown
    I've never seen a protest changed in the courtroom before
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  • Unknown
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    of course he can't.
    pb has NO credibility, because it's plainly obvious he is not impartial, and only seeing what he wants to see rather than what actually happened.

    so whenever pb opens his mouth in future i will know not to take any notice of him.
    of course we are all idiots except for those that can see things that NEVER happened.

    I think your very confused Carey :roll: , it's obvious that Rogue_Green was talking to Semipro Punter :(
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,985 posts
    Judges in our court systems are overturned on appeal on a regular basis. If Stewards were for instance overturned on a matter, I can't see how that would be reasoning for a please explain hearing, they simply did their job to the best of their abilities.

    Superior Courts I am told sometimes see things differently, as a result they shape legal precedants, which then become the basis for future rulings.

    I think I have this right. I will ask the barracuda when she comes home from another busy day in Court.
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
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    of course he can't.
    pb has NO credibility, because it's plainly obvious he is not impartial, and only seeing what he wants to see rather than what actually happened.

    so whenever pb opens his mouth in future i will know not to take any notice of him.
    of course we are all idiots except for those that can see things that NEVER happened.

    I think your very confused Carey :roll: , it's obvious that Rogue_Green was talking to Semipro Punter :(
    only with the first line, i admit i was confused, rest of post stands firm
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  • danishdanish    96 posts
    all judgements are a form of precendent

    if it is by a higher court in the same heirarchy this is binding precedent and won't be overturned

    in a different heirarchy or a lower court would be considered persuasive precedent and has influence but is not ultimate
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  • Unknown
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    said:

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    of course he can't.
    pb has NO credibility, because it's plainly obvious he is not impartial, and only seeing what he wants to see rather than what actually happened.

    so whenever pb opens his mouth in future i will know not to take any notice of him.
    of course we are all idiots except for those that can see things that NEVER happened.

    I think your very confused Carey :roll: , it's obvious that Rogue_Green was talking to Semipro Punter :(
    only with the first line, i admit i was confused, rest of post stands firm
    told you that you talked more nonsense than me :wink:
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
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    Judges in our court systems are overturned on appeal on a regular basis. If Stewards were for instance overturned on a matter, I can't see how that would be reasoning for a please explain hearing, they simply did their job to the best of their abilities.

    Superior Courts I am told sometimes see things differently, as a result they shape legal precedants, which then become the basis for future rulings.

    I think I have this right. I will ask the barracuda when she comes home from another busy day in Court.

    Herein may lay the problem..... :roll:
    As mentioned if it does get overturned heads should roll
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