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Likely runners in the Winterbottom Stakes 2012

West Australian Racing
ICEICE    683 posts
edited October 2012 West Australian Racing
1.Barakey
2.Buffering
3.Sea Siren
4.Playing God
5.Grand Nirvana
6.Hallowell Belle
7.Texan
8.Hadabeclorka
9. Werd
10.Ranger
11.Morant
12.Scenic Blast
13.Power Princess
14.

This is just my guess on runners -please add more to the list :)
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  • TSSTSS    1,401 posts
    Top 3 has it between them if this is the case.
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  • Mary_hingeMary_hinge    40 posts
    Buffering would be a good get - suspect atleast one Caulfield trained galloper will come over
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  • VorgtrafficVorgtraffic    1,755 posts
    Wouldnt be surprised if a horse like golden archer is freshened up and brought over
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  • wedgewedge    269 posts
    going off that race in adelaide if power princess doesn't run top 3.....
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  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
    edited October 2012
    I would love Texan to shoot them all down in a boilover. I love the horse, he's just a winner. :x

    On class though it should be between Buffering and Sea Siren , I think it could be a repeat of the Takeover Target-Apache Cat spine-tingler.
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  • plugerpluger    774 posts
    power princess
    maybe another heading toward it
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  • magoo83magoo83    969 posts
    Heathcote would be mad to bring it over, all over if barakey stands up
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    Well Barakey would want to have 10L improvement in him on what he did 1st up yesterday. I couldn't see Honest Lies getting that close to a Winterbottom winner....
    Trial this time in didn't look that flash either
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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    Sea Siren with the handbrake on
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    Im with DS if Sea Siren comes over even Golden Archer he looks well above avg.In regards to Barakey i watched JT interview with big Wes and Wes asked him were to now and he started banging on about rating points if Barakey went to to POW he would cop x amount of points compared with going to the Reeves ?? He is 9 from 9 BANK THE $$$.
    What am i missing this horse this horse is now a superstar 100 rater after his next run hcps are all but gone so why not try and win the extra $$$ for his owners and i understand JT has a good understanding of the system but whats the point.
    His next start Reeves then The Winterbottom if he wins them both points are a thing of the past he will be in the high 110s surley and WFA beckons but will be carrying some good weights in the Autumn against a little mare called Black Caviar :-h
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  • JordanJordan    1,827 posts
    Would want to improve massively on that last run to be competitive in the Winterbottom against the likes of Sea Siren !!
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  • coastalchillcoastalchill    126 posts
    Nice trial for power Princess.
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  • HenleyBrookHenleyBrook    408 posts
    It was only Barakey's first run. I thought it was a cracker run to carry 60kg first up. he'll go another 2 lengths quicker next start from that blow out.
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  • vlahsvlahs    203 posts
    Some of you guys are very critical of barakey. Get behind him, hes representing our state. What more could he have done so far, he beat cavallo pazzo by 5 at northam and CP has since come out and won a couple of winter features. He was first-up with 59 after missing the start slightly, go barakey!
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  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    no one is knocking him vlahs, he will be meeting some very handy horses if those mentioned come across
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    dungy said:

    Im with DS if Sea Siren comes over even Golden Archer he looks well above avg.In regards to Barakey i watched JT interview with big Wes and Wes asked him were to now and he started banging on about rating points if Barakey went to to POW he would cop x amount of points compared with going to the Reeves ?? He is 9 from 9 BANK THE $$$.
    What am i missing this horse this horse is now a superstar 100 rater after his next run hcps are all but gone so why not try and win the extra $$$ for his owners and i understand JT has a good understanding of the system but whats the point.
    His next start Reeves then The Winterbottom if he wins them both points are a thing of the past he will be in the high 110s surley and WFA beckons but will be carrying some good weights in the Autumn against a little mare called Black Caviar :-h

    barakey has basically reached the point where it's pointless worrying about his rating.
    time they threw him in the deep end, and you are correct dungy....if he wins the winterbottom he will cop it anyway.

    and if the winterbottom is the target then there is no point protecting his rating in the first place, as it won't matter one iota what its rating is pre winterbottom

    and i think he is good enough, although i have never heard of 'sea siren'.

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  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    u serious? never heard of it
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    yes i am, everywhere except wa, horses for me are identified purely by an id number, it prevents any bias forming, where having bias can destroy you.

    of course i know of your black caviars and pierro's but that is about it.
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,984 posts
    Would be interesting to go back over Perth Racing media releases of the last three years, to see what sort of horses were talked about coming over for the 'carnival'. Then compare to what did turn up and the quality of those horses.

    Two very different sides of the ledger.

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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    HenleyBrook said:

    It was only Barakey's first run. I thought it was a cracker run to carry 60kg first up. he'll go another 2 lengths quicker next start from that blow out.

    just did numbers, and if he has no problems, then he has at least 12metres improvement in him according to my stuff(which may well be wrong!).


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  • ICEICE    683 posts
    Damien we can dream just a little you seem to be very neg at the minute,with the w/end you have just had you should be jumping from the moon.
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,984 posts
    ICE said:

    Damien we can dream just a little you seem to be very neg at the minute,with the w/end you have just had you should be jumping from the moon.

    More impressed with the news I heard about an hour ago. But I am not talking about it here onthis forum.
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    carey said:

    dungy said:

    Im with DS if Sea Siren comes over even Golden Archer he looks well above avg.In regards to Barakey i watched JT interview with big Wes and Wes asked him were to now and he started banging on about rating points if Barakey went to to POW he would cop x amount of points compared with going to the Reeves ?? He is 9 from 9 BANK THE $$$.
    What am i missing this horse this horse is now a superstar 100 rater after his next run hcps are all but gone so why not try and win the extra $$$ for his owners and i understand JT has a good understanding of the system but whats the point.
    His next start Reeves then The Winterbottom if he wins them both points are a thing of the past he will be in the high 110s surley and WFA beckons but will be carrying some good weights in the Autumn against a little mare called Black Caviar :-h

    barakey has basically reached the point where it's pointless worrying about his rating.
    time they threw him in the deep end, and you are correct dungy....if he wins the winterbottom he will cop it anyway.

    and if the winterbottom is the target then there is no point protecting his rating in the first place, as it won't matter one iota what its rating is pre winterbottom

    and i think he is good enough, although i have never heard of 'sea siren'.

    Thankyou Carey as i respect your opinion on ratings more than most my point was i dont see the point in playing some silly game as the horse is in the 100s now so why play dodge ball ??
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  • ICEICE    683 posts
    B-)
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  • parisbank69parisbank69    9 posts
    hadabeclorka is retired.
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  • CarlosaCarlosa    1,287 posts
    Damien Wyer said:

    Would be interesting to go back over Perth Racing media releases of the last three years, to see what sort of horses were talked about coming over for the 'carnival'. Then compare to what did turn up and the quality of those horses.

    Two very different sides of the ledger.

    It's the same as the hype the media lump on one or two local up and comers this time every year, generally on the back of restricted class Winter (albeit good) wins against donkeys.

    Usually, said up and comers show themselves to be mediocre once the heat goes on...

    Even more frustratingly for me, is when trainer's/owners with a finger in the breeding pie pump up their colts as being something out of the blue when they again are merely mediocre.

    At least Perth Racing media are trying to generate interest to benefit the sport, and not merely the pockets of individuals...

    So, in saying that, Buffering by 1/2 over Sea Siren with a further 4l back to whoever else runs...
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    only three runners got beaten by more than 4 lens by Ortensia and Rarefield last year in the Winterbottom....so you must rate Buffering and Sea Siren pretty highly?

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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    Both are probably far better Ascot horses than Ortensia due to their on/near pace racing patterns.
    I doubt Ortensia could give Buffering a good head start at Ascot and beat him
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,984 posts
    I have for a long time regarded Barakey as the only threat to the unbeaten record of Black Caviar. Would love to see them race each other. She was promised last year, that fell apart as well.

    Promises are written on the wind.
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    i doubt they will ever race and im sure they're in different leagues Damien..
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