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DENMAN

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SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
edited October 2013 Breeding
Wow what a way to start his stud career.

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  • IntoItIntoIt    659 posts
    Augers well for Demerit hopefully.
  • SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
    Another stallion that should have a good week at MM sale as he has plenty of lots in .
  • annandaleannandale    15 posts

    Hopefully the WA market will acknowledge Demerit.

     Denmans spectacular start reinforces the  feats of the Australian bred sprinting Stalllions that are now having a massive impact on the breeding world.

    .Moreso the Australian industry needs the  Lonhro line to be successful,given that is devoid of any Northern Dancer.

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    Try buying a Group winning Lonhro stallion out of a good family now .

    Unlikely we will see another one in WA for a while.   

  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,987 posts
    annandale said:

    Hopefully the WA market will acknowledge Demerit.

     Denmans spectacular start reinforces the  feats of the Australian bred sprinting Stalllions that are now having a massive impact on the breeding world.

    .Moreso the Australian industry needs the  Lonhro line to be successful,given that is devoid of any Northern Dancer.

       .

    Try buying a Group winning Lonhro stallion out of a good family now .

    Unlikely we will see another one in WA for a while.   

    The two horses make for interesting comparison. Denman was not very well bred but was a very good race horse with multiple success in black type races, whereas Demerit was far better bred and only had the one stakes win. Denman gets 110 to 130 or thereabouts in mares each year, but Demerit is in the 70's and dare I say it, there would be a quality difference.

    Just on numbers, Denman will have commercial success for some time to come. Demerit will be hard work until his crops reach a racing age of at least three, then it will be market forces that determine his future. Denman ultimately may end up somewhere else if he can't sustain in the Darley system, but I wouldn't buy him for a WA market.
  • annandaleannandale    15 posts
    All due respect Damian I was not talking about if Denman was for sale or whether you would buy him.

    Making any stallion commercial is hard work.

    Certainly Denman won multiple Group races .

    I would argue that Demerit beat more superior opposition,albeit he did not win a GR1.

    Had he done so he would never have been available and or price competitive for the WA market.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,987 posts
    Denman won 1 Gr1, 2 Gr 2's, 1 Gr 3, and 2 Listed races. Demerit won just the single Gr 3 being the 2009 MRC Guineas Prelude. For him to have met superior opposition would have made that a hell of a race.

    It's fairly safe to say Denman was a better racehorse. 

    If I do  get to the Gold Coast for the catalogue I am currently researching, I will let you know what the Denman's look like as a group. I'm sure they will have a few looking at them.


  • annandaleannandale    15 posts

     Points of contention are always interesting to argue.

    Absolutely Denmans race record is superior.

    But he never raced against any horses rated superior to him ,notably Black Caviar, StarSpangledBanner, Manhattan Rain and Wanted  to name a few of that memorable 3 year old season.

    I mention these to support my argument. Demerit raced against and defeated 3 of the 4 .

     

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