WA officially a laughing stock

Rodent · June 2014

Ron Dufficy was right. The protest decision in favour of Cool Trade over Trading Day was a disgrace. It must have been a howler because the margin was half a length with Trading Day going better on the line. The interference was minor and a long way from home.

We've just seen a protest in Kal dismissed where the winner has barged out inside the last 200m making significant contact with the 3rd horse taking its running and the margin was about a head.

Totally inconsistent.

~X(

bookielover · June 2014

Didn't see the race at Kal, so can't make an informed comment, but the trade over trading day upheld decision was, as you put it Rodent, a disgrace. And I didn't have a bet in the race.

Stewards in all States do make some shocking decisions, but generally speaking those bad decisions are very rare. Imo, the WA stewards are beyond terrible and why the powers that be do not have an inquiry into their competence, I do not understand.

I know that Stewards over in the east, Melbourne and Sydney are pretty well compensated, but I'm not sure that situation applies in WA. If it does, then RWWA should sack the panel, do a world wide search, and employ competent racing professionals to do the job that those employed at the moment can't do.

If the Stewards in WA are poorly paid compared to their Eastern States counterparts, then, as the old saying goes, you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.

Tivers · June 2014

Two wrongs don't make a right, so I've heard :)

SPUDLEY · June 2014

It is Kal after all.

SHOVHOG · June 2014

Tivers hit the nail on the head. Rodent you have been complaining about stuff on here for years without offering your thoughts on the races... Your obviously quite good at the caper. Some positive info would be great

Rodent · June 2014

SHOVHOG said:
Tivers hit the nail on the head. Rodent you have been complaining about stuff on here for years without offering your thoughts on the races... Your obviously quite good at the caper. Some positive info would be great

How would someone with 14 posts know what I've been doing for years? I offer my thoughts on races occasionally. I've just been too lazy to do the form properly for a while. I'm just about back to where I need to be so I'll offer up something just for you.

SHOVHOG · June 2014

Im very observant...

Wizard · June 2014

SHOVHOG said:
Tivers hit the nail on the head. Rodent you have been complaining about stuff on here for years without offering your thoughts on the races... Your obviously quite good at the caper. Some positive info would be great

I think Rodent did make some positive complaints that should be looked at - But they won't be.

Radman · June 2014

What exactly makes it official?

Was it measured on a Laughing Stock meter calibrated by NASA? Or it just because you happen to disagree?

Rodent · June 2014

Radman, there are enough examples of idiocy from the officials in WA racing that are beyond argument. The FACTS are there for all to see. I have seen races awarded to the wrong horse, I have seen a horse race under the wrong name, I have seen countless examples of punters given misinformation etc. These are the facts. When it comes to subjective matters such as protests, I will ask you this.

If the officials are proven to have stuffed up on numerous occasions, what makes you think they won't stuff up protest decisions?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If in your opinion the officials are doing a good job, good for you. I'll keep highlighting where I think they are getting it wrong.

If you put the protest in race 4 today alongside the Cool Trade v Trading Day protest, you just can't reconcile the decisions. If dismissing the race 4 protest was correct, then upholding the protest against Trading Day was criminal. If upholding the protest against Trading Day was the correct decision (I know it's impossible to imagine but try) then the race 4 protest today was a gimme, it had to be upheld.

Anyone who is fair dinkum would agree. An argument to the contrary surely couldn't be given with a straight face.

Radman · June 2014

Didn't see today's race but some of the things that people write on here show they have no idea about the rules. You yourself wrote "trading day was going better on the line"

(Btw, I was on trading day.)

Rodent · June 2014

Didn't see today's race but some of the things that people write on here show they have no idea about the rules. You yourself wrote "trading day was going better on the line"

(Btw, I was on trading day.)

I think that how the horses are travelling approaching the line is relevant. I think it would be hard to say with any degree of confidence that Cool Trade would have beaten Trading Day had the interference not occurred as Trading Day was clearly a stronger run as evidenced by his dominance over the last 100m. A slight bump at the top of the straight was clearly not enough to conclude CT would have beaten TD. Wishful thinking at best. As for the protest today in race 4. If the interference had not occurred, Ram Jam would never have had clear running and could not have won the race. The bump was much more severe and at a much more critical stage of the race than the CT v TD protest. The margin was 0.04sec which was 1/2 the margin that Trading Day won by. Put simply, today's protest should have been upheld and Trading Day should have held the race v Cool Trade.

From AR 136:

(2) If a placed horse or its rider causes interference within the meaning of this Rule to another

placed horse, and the stewards are of the opinion that the horse interfered with would have

finished ahead of the first mentioned horse had such interference not occurred, they may place the

first mentioned horse immediately after the horse interfered with. For the purpose of this Rule

"placed horse" shall be a horse placed by the Judge in accordance with AR.157.

Wizard · June 2014

WA officially a laughing stock is a bit wrong as no one is interseted in WA racing except west Aussies.

Tivers · June 2014

Just watched today's replay over a few times, from both angles - was very little to nothing in it.
Outside horse wasn't hampered at all either.

RIO · June 2014

where was your money @Tivers ???
B-)

Rodent · June 2014

Tivers, in order for your horse to secure the run, it had to illegally push Javelin Jack out of the way. Had this interference not occurred, are you suggesting your horse would have levitated and still won?

Tivers · June 2014

I'm saying he pushed, yes, but he didn't interfere with anyone.

Having to do what he had to do, and getting there, obviously means the best horse won the race - so right outcome yes ? :)

TheDiva · June 2014

there was a protest in that race? looked good to me. horse he pushed out didnt seem to lose any ground from side on. Havent seen the front on.

TheDiva · June 2014

Ill add, if you're comparing to the trading day race, I think you are correct, but as tivers says, you dont follow up a bad decision with another.

GaryH · June 2014

I didn't like the Trading Day result as it was inconsistent with previous rulings (yes, against one of mine) that there was"racing bumps" allowed. This one went back to the original intent.....

I still don't like it, as it just showed the industry to be a bunch of Cowboys that allow rough riding as long as your on the favorite?

Ps, I own part of the winner, so it's not even sour grapes.

Tivers · June 2014

Yeah, but you're in Vegas - so probably drunk

(Or better be at least ! :)) )

Rodent · June 2014

The Diva said:
there was a protest in that race? looked good to me. horse he pushed out didnt seem to lose any ground from side on. Havent seen the front on.

It looks fine side on, not so good front on. Anyway, the rule says "had the interference not occurred". The bottom line is, had the interference not occurred, Ram Jam would still be looking for a run.

I wouldn't be making a big deal of this decision if it weren't for the Trading Day robbery.

I just don't see how stewards can get away with making decisions like that one. Whoever was responsible for taking the race off Trading Day has my utter contempt.

Tivers · June 2014

I for one am thankful that gap opened up and he did get a run...

:)

altern8vu · June 2014

hi guys i've tried to stay neutral on these protest debates BUT after watching what went on in KAL just beggers belief. the CT &TD incedent was bad enough & now 2 howlers in kal gary h you are spot on about how SOME of these riders rough/house riding, & are being reminded of there OBLIGASIONS mainly some of the girls & kids in the country meetings. those 2 in kal should both of been upheld & before u all jump on the bias train have areal good look at the interferance & the margins, as rodent has said r/j doesnt get the run&NOyou areNOT allowed to force a run, which is what BK did & in the r7 fingers mount laid all over sdms mount from the 150 to the point stent who was on his inside was checked out the back both cases happened well before the line so the margins had to be relevant . not as reports imply that they were to close to the finish. the interferance was clearly there. what i'am seeing to frequently is the incosistentsy between metro&prov/country desicions being made to the detrement of our industry. hopefully they may read some of the concerns expressed on here. we can only hope can't we.

TheSwooper · June 2014

Having had the benefit of reading the stewards report, and receiving some other feedback, I'm now confident in my new found belief that it is definitely okay for jockeys to push out, ease out and even make contact with other runners, if a marginal run appears (or appears after one has made the shift)

Just wish O'Grady could've spotted juff a sniff of a marginal run on War Prince Saturday.

XuanLing · June 2014

Thought BK's ride was perfect :))

The_Penguin · June 2014

The Bookmakers are a laughing stock :-q

Fastmoney · June 2014

The Penguin spreads his wings from Twitter to PTT.

altern8vu · June 2014

XL it was a good ride BUT he caused interferance, & one can only guess the MONEY was on so the rule book goes out the window doe's it .

darkshines · June 2014

Yeah.

altern8vu said:
hi guys i've tried to stay neutral on these protest debates BUT after watching what went on in KAL just beggers belief. the CT &TD incedent was bad enough & now 2 howlers in kal gary h you are spot on about how SOME of these riders rough/house riding, & are being reminded of there OBLIGASIONS mainly some of the girls & kids in the country meetings. those 2 in kal should both of been upheld & before u all jump on the bias train have areal good look at the interferance & the margins, as rodent has said r/j doesnt get the run&NOyou areNOT allowed to force a run, which is what BK did & in the r7 fingers mount laid all over sdms mount from the 150 to the point stent who was on his inside was checked out the back both cases happened well before the line so the margins had to be relevant . not as reports imply that they were to close to the finish. the interferance was clearly there. what i'am seeing to frequently is the incosistentsy between metro&prov/country desicions being made to the detrement of our industry. hopefully they may read some of the concerns expressed on here. we can only hope can't we.

Bias is laughable, Centavision one was 1/10th as strong as the Ram Jam one. Strangely no mention of SDM smashing the stablemate getting out earlier in straight...

thefalcon · June 2014

L-)

G'day Punter!

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