Williams Positive

GLAMOUR · January 22

Thoroly_Bread said:
I don't think anyone is shocked, probably makes for a good argument to not train as a partnership then just transfer all the horses to Alana if you get popped.

What was the falling out with Peters? I guess eventually he has a falling out with all his trainers.....

I suppose the money they where raking in with him,but they hadn't say in the running of the stable,what he said goes,not much fun at all,they done the right thing starting up on there own,i think the media are making a big thing of this,as they usually do,hope it all clears up for them both quickly.

FairCraic69 · January 22

Thirty years ago, when Ivan Jones was Chair of Stewards, the headline would have been very different. Back then it would have read something like “Trainer Gets 12 Months for Positive” — no ifs, no buts.

The penalties were remembered as uncompromising. As the saying went at the time, twelve months meant twelve months. Old hands will recall the tongue-in-cheek line about being sent down to Mazzucchelli’s to buy a clock to count it out.

And, as was often said in those days — rightly or wrongly — the old chestnut explanation was that a foreman or stable hand had accidentally dropped medication into the feed bin.

FairCraic69 · January 22

Anyone know who trains from Lindsey Smiths Old Stables in Casuarina?

silky · January 22

FairCraic69 said:
Anyone know who trains from Lindsey Smiths Old Stables in Casuarina?

I believe it’s Donna Riordan

Thrawn · January 22

Flanders said:
Would this Williams positive mean that previous samples that are stored frozen, will be tested, or re-tested?

If you are referring to the Starry Heights samples, it is the B Sample that has tested positive. Given that the A sample has already been tested it is likely that it has already been disposed of.

If you are referring to samples taken for other horses in the Williams stable then it is a very good point you raise, you would think that it would be prudent for the stewards to follow up on other samples where available.

Either way you would suspect that horses for Williams Racing would come under increased scrutiny from the stewards moving forward.

As an aside, given that only the B sample was positive I suspect that this will form a large part of the Williams' defence when fronting the stewards if the A sample was indeed negative. Its interesting that the information to date only refers to the B sample, does this mean that the A sample already tested positive? Typically the B sample is tested to verify anomalies with the A sample as they are taken at the same time.

Thrawn · January 22

Desperado said:

Arapaho said:

FairCraic69 said:
Precision1 I think I can assist with you query about pre race and post race/post mortem.
Pre race blood tests in racehorses are Only to detect Bi-Carb levels, So Ritalin wouldn't be tested pre race...
Pre race blood tests do detect other irregularities, two recent positives, Flunixin ,a gallops trainer and Clozapine ,a harness trainer.both from pre race testing.
See they say Ritalin was discovered in blood samples post mortem,so they now can recheck prerace samples to compare.

The postmortem positive results would be from hair samples not blood. I know the official RWWA communication says blood but maybe that's a mistake. The pre-race blood test was not positive.

The communication refers to a swab, which could be any of hair, blood or urine or a combination of those three as all are taken and ritalin can be identified in the presence of any of these tests.

GLAMOUR · January 22

Someone noted that 2 of there horses has been transferred to another stable is that right ?or was this before this come up.?

Thrawn · January 22

Thoroly_Bread said:
Someone noted that 2 of there horses has been transferred to another stable is that right ?or was this before this come up.?

Interesting

I note that they just spent $835,000 on 4 yearlings at the Gold Coast Magic Millions sales the week before this came out, going to be some very nervous owners watching the outcome of this hearing

FairCraic69 · January 22

According to Racing Australia Group 1 Railway Stakes Winner Watch Me Rock and Stablemate Guineas & Star Struck Classic winner Storyville are Now trained by Donna Riordan at Oldbury WA.

GLAMOUR · January 22

Still think people/media are blowing it up,and I'm sure it woll come out all good for them.

Precision1 · January 22

Thrawn said:

Flanders said:
Would this Williams positive mean that previous samples that are stored frozen, will be tested, or re-tested?
If you are referring to the Starry Heights samples, it is the B Sample that has tested positive. Given that the A sample has already been tested it is likely that it has already been disposed of.

If you are referring to samples taken for other horses in the Williams stable then it is a very good point you raise, you would think that it would be prudent for the stewards to follow up on other samples where available.

Either way you would suspect that horses for Williams Racing would come under increased scrutiny from the stewards moving forward.

As an aside, given that only the B sample was positive I suspect that this will form a large part of the Williams' defence when fronting the stewards if the A sample was indeed negative. Its interesting that the information to date only refers to the B sample, does this mean that the A sample already tested positive? Typically the B sample is tested to verify anomalies with the A sample as they are taken at the same time.

I don’t believe that it is correct to say only the B sample tested positive. Indeed if the A sample tests negative then the B sample is not tested. When they say the B sample tested positive they are saying that the second test to confirm there was not a false positive in sample A also came back positive. They will never release a positive test before it is confirmed with the B sample as false positive results are more common than you would think.

This is different from the Pre-Race blood sample however and as yet I haven’t heard anyone clarify if this pre-race sample tested positive or not. If it turns out this was negative it opens up more questions than answers I believe.

Thrawn · January 22

FairCraic69 said:
According to Racing Australia Group 1 Railway Stakes Winner Watch Me Rock and Stablemate Guineas & Star Struck Classic winner Storyville are Now trained by Donna Riordan at Oldbury WA.

Interesting

Watch Me Rock is effectively a Ridgeport horse, but Storyville was bred by the Williams and part of a Williams Racing syndicate and still part owned by Alana.

Watch Me Rock hasn't raced since December and is coming off a spell to trial next week so its hard to know when the move was made, but given that Storyville has gone to a new trainer too you would think its just to keep them racing whilst the inquiry is ongoing.

DamienWyer · January 22

Apparently, when RWWA Stewards went shopping for a frying pan, they bought the smallest one and as a result they can only cook small fish.

My bet is that it will amount to a $5,000 fine and nothing more to see.

Someone mentioned Bob Peters, unless global warming has melted the ice in his veins, he won't give a toss what is happening to the Williams.

Willie Pike is not riding in WA this week, he apparently has taken a mount at Caulfield aboard Aztec Ruler in the second last.

Precision1 · January 22

DamienWyer said:

DamienWyer said:
Apparently, when RWWA Stewards went shopping for a frying pan, they bought the smallest one and as a result they can only cook small fish.

My bet is that it will amount to a $5,000 fine and nothing more to see.

.

That is an interesting take that the biggest and most successful training combination in the state is small fish……….

Thrawn · January 22

Precision1 said:

DamienWyer said:

DamienWyer said:
Apparently, when RWWA Stewards went shopping for a frying pan, they bought the smallest one and as a result they can only cook small fish.

My bet is that it will amount to a $5,000 fine and nothing more to see.

.
That is an interesting take that the biggest and most successful training combination in the state is small fish……….

I believe that the inference is that Williams will only cop a fine because they are a big fish, only the small fish get fried.

Precision1 · January 22

Thrawn said:

Precision1 said:

DamienWyer said:

DamienWyer said:
Apparently, when RWWA Stewards went shopping for a frying pan, they bought the smallest one and as a result they can only cook small fish.

My bet is that it will amount to a $5,000 fine and nothing more to see.

.
That is an interesting take that the biggest and most successful training combination in the state is small fish……….
I believe that the inference is that Williams will only cop a fine because they are a big fish, only the small fish get fried.

Ok yep can see that

FairCraic69 · January 22

Fellow Perth Turf Contributors I wouldn’t be taking the overs on this being a nothing case.

A Schedule 8 substance makes it odds-on it’s handled seriously.

SLIPPERGOLDEN · January 22

DamienWyer said:
Willie Pike is not riding in WA this week, he apparently has taken a mount at Caulfield aboard Aztec Ruler in the second last.

Or Pakenham Friday race 7. Interesting as he hasn't ridden the horse recently and trainer normally employs a Parnham

Did Valhalla used to ride in Victoria or am I confusing him with another ex jockey turned local trainer?

SLIPPERGOLDEN · January 22

Thoroly_Bread said:
I don't think anyone is shocked, probably makes for a good argument to not train as a partnership then just transfer all the horses to Alana if you get popped.

Or transfer to son as in Geoff to Adam Durrant or on the trotting stage wife to husband Chris Voak. Family Affairs.

Flanders · January 22

Thrawn said:

Precision1 said:

DamienWyer said:

DamienWyer said:
Apparently, when RWWA Stewards went shopping for a frying pan, they bought the smallest one and as a result they can only cook small fish.

My bet is that it will amount to a $5,000 fine and nothing more to see.

.
That is an interesting take that the biggest and most successful training combination in the state is small fish……….
I believe that the inference is that Williams will only cop a fine because they are a big fish, only the small fish get fried.

The exact same applies to the jockeys penalties too. Quite farcical and so obvious that blind Freddie can see it.

SLIPPERGOLDEN · January 22

SLIPPERGOLDEN said:

DamienWyer said:
Did Valhalla used to ride in Victoria or am I confusing him with another ex jockey turned local trainer?

I may be confusing him with Steve De Vincentis. Only trained a couple of winners. Interestingly named first winner;

First Win 12 Apr 2006

Catch The Pussy (Aus)

Bunbury (Wa) | Toro Wheel Horse Mdn Stks

warrenrobinson · January 22

SLIPPERGOLDEN said:

SLIPPERGOLDEN said:

DamienWyer said:
Did Valhalla used to ride in Victoria or am I confusing him with another ex jockey turned local trainer?
I may be confusing him with Steve De Vincentis. Only trained a couple of winners. Interestingly named first winner;

First Win 12 Apr 2006
Catch The Pussy (Aus)
Bunbury (Wa) | Toro Wheel Horse Mdn Stks. Steve Devincentis won races in Victoria when employed by George Hanlon. Passed away last year. I'm married to his sister Angela.

Manchild · January 23

Steve De Vincentis was an apprentice jockey ,Colin Webster was his boss.

SLIPPERGOLDEN · January 23

Yes I knew he was a jockey. I think he also had a very brief stint maybe just weeks in Victoria as I recall him winning the last race in the country one day on a very poor track.

savethegame · January 23

He trained Rock of Cashel won 6 of its first 7 including group 3 around 2004

silky · January 24

SLIPPERGOLDEN said:

DamienWyer said:
Willie Pike is not riding in WA this week, he apparently has taken a mount at Caulfield aboard Aztec Ruler in the second last.
Or Pakenham Friday race 7. Interesting as he hasn't ridden the horse recently and trainer normally employs a Parnham

Did Valhalla used to ride in Victoria or am I confusing him with another ex jockey turned local trainer?

I wonder if Pikey made the trip over. Horse scratched from both races

SLIPPERGOLDEN · January 24

Trainer has a couple in locally that may ease the disappointment in Doctor Jay and Ice Pick Nick

scenic11 · January 25

Williams has form for getting staff to take the rap for him. Be interesting to see if they cone up with the same excuse & if the stewards fall for it ????

warrenrobinson · January 25

When you renew your Harness license you have to pass a medical and declare any medications you are prescribed. Is this the case in the thoroughbred industry?.

Thoroly_Bread · January 26

scenic11 said:
Williams has form for getting staff to take the rap for him. Be interesting to see if they cone up with the same excuse & if the stewards fall for it ????

Is it common to suspend the trainers licence like that.

Who is looking after the horses and the track work and all of that.

Correct me if I'm wrong but if you are suspended you can't access the tracks?

I guess they train from home so they will likely continue to train the horse and just put them into another trainers name?

G'day Punter!

In this Discussion

Who's Online

Williams Positive

Comments