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PTT Greyhound Syndicate - Desperado

Harness & Greyhounds
ChrisChris    5,734 posts
edited November -1 Harness & Greyhounds
Looking at Bunj's success and the fact he's been a long-time PTT'er, anyone think we should form a bit of a PTT syndicate get a grey running around the traps (providing you've got room for one bunj!)?
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    PTT going doggy style ? sounds good

    hands up who's in
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  • Famous1Famous1    551 posts
    Very Tempting... KEEN!
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  • G-MacG-Mac    1,677 posts
    I reckon I'd be in that
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  • Box1RacingBox1Racing    675 posts
    said:

    Looking at Bunj's success and the fact he's been a long-time PTT'er, anyone think we should form a bit of a PTT syndicate get a grey running around the traps (providing you've got room for one bunj!)?

    1st of i would consider it a privalage to train for people that have supported me from the start and would be rock keen to repay your faith yet onc3e again.

    Im not the most fluient man with pen or words but would like to say i give all to my training and still try hard for the day i will make a repituble and competitive name in the WA industry along with my wife whom i could not do this with out.

    If you need a hand with any thing then just get in contact with my self if need

    [email protected] or bu=0405 665 515
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  • LuckyLongshotsLuckyLongshots    4,270 posts
    I would be interested dependant obviously on the price - might have someone else who is interested too. Let me know what the plan is!
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  • BlakeBlake    8,176 posts
    price pending i'm in!
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  • rompzrompz    206 posts
    im keen also if price is right :D
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  • G-MacG-Mac    1,677 posts
    What sort of price would we be looking at Bunj?
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    said:

    What sort of price would we be looking at Bunj?


    How good a dog can we get for $10k - I reckon 10 shares at $1k each would be doable for most ??
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  • BlakeBlake    8,176 posts
    justgreyhounds.com.au should give some idea.
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  • MightAndPowerMightAndPower    4,148 posts
    said:

    said:

    What sort of price would we be looking at Bunj?


    How good a dog can we get for $10k - I reckon 10 shares at $1k each would be doable for most ??
    id hazard a guess that 10k would get a pretty good dog.
    their cheap to "run" i believe...
    BUT you might get a few baulking at a grand for a 10% in a dishlicker :lol:
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  • G-MacG-Mac    1,677 posts
    Had a look at the link Della.
    $2000 for Slater x Fireside Doll (Awesome Assasin)
    That's some decent bloodlines as far as I know.
    Happy to be told I'm wrong of course
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  • BlakeBlake    8,176 posts
    do we want a broken in dog or a pup? reckon broken in might be the way to go. cost more but at least you have some idea if they go alright before you get in.
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Grab a stray from out back of the shops.............free !!! :)
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  • G-MacG-Mac    1,677 posts
    said:

    do we want a broken in dog or a pup? reckon broken in might be the way to go. cost more but at least you have some idea if they go alright before you get in.

    I reckon that's where we let the expert choose.
    We should determine how many of us there are and what the budget is and then send Bunj to market.
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    happy for bunji to suggest something

    more owners the better so long as they all ptt members
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  • LuckyLongshotsLuckyLongshots    4,270 posts
    Can Bunji give us an approx. run down of the week to week (or month to month) costs for training.

    I understand they are a lot less than a racehorse, but would be interested to know how much?
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  • ChrisChris    5,734 posts
    More PTT'ers the better definitely, would be great to have 10-20 owners
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    said:

    Can Bunji give us an approx. run down of the week to week (or month to month) costs for training.

    I understand they are a lot less than a racehorse, but would be interested to know how much?

    $50 per day, $10 per track ride, $$$$ for the Vet
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  • MightyHawksMightyHawks    360 posts
    I've owned a few dogs before and was keen to get involved in another so i'm very keen to be involved.
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  • BlakeBlake    8,176 posts
    sounds good to me GOM.

    when the old man had a dog they didn't pay training fees they just went 50/50 on the prizemoney with the trainer. is this the norm?
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  • LuckyLongshotsLuckyLongshots    4,270 posts
    A good read from RWWA's site

    Greyhound Ownership Made Easy

    Getting started
    Usually the fi rst two questions asked are how much will it cost me to buy a greyhound and should I buy a puppy or a race dog that is already on the track.

    Budget
    Determining the size of your budget is probably the best starting point.

    Generally speaking, buying a greyhound is like buying a motor vehicle. Like cars, they come in a range of colours, ages, some are luxury ones, others are not roadworthy - and the prices vary accordingly.

    When dealing with the purchase of race dogs or pups the best advice is similar to the advice given to punters, spend only what you can afford to lose. Prices can vary from $1,000 through to tens of thousands of dollars depending upon your budget. This is not to say that you will lose all of your money but there are no guarantees in racing and while you can make a profi t you can just as easily have some bad luck and cop a loss.

    Once your greyhound is at race stage you will be faced with training fees. Some trainers operate on 50/50 stakemoney deals with their owners whereby there are no ongoing fees and winnings are shared. Other trainers charge more, between $80 and $120 per week, but claim less percentage of any stakemoney earned.

    Buying a pup
    This process involves purchasing a greyhound from the age of 3 - 6 months. The price of pups varies depending upon the pedigree and race performance of the Sire (Dad) and Dam (Mum). Pups can vary in price anywhere from $500 through to $12,000, however as a rule you can normally buy a well-bred pup in the $2,000 - $4,500 range.

    On top of the purchase price of the pup you will have to pay rearing fees (approximately $40 a week for 12 months), plus breaking in costs (approx. $750) before they are eligible to race.

    There are no guarantees with pups, they can be flying machines or on the flip side they can be very disappointing. The beauty of buying the greyhounds as pups is that you get to see them develop from a young age and if they mature to be nice race dogs you get to win all of their graded races along the way which increases their earning capacity. When looking for a pup a handy hint is to seek pups from a bitch that has proven herself to be a good producer in the past or look for a bitch from a successful litter with a good race performance as they are also more likely to throw winners.

    Buying a Race Dog
    The cost of a racedog will fl uctuate depending upon the race performance, age, prior injuries and convictions and the grade of the greyhound. As a guide if you are looking to buy a country or provincial grade greyhound to race at Mandurah and Northam you can expect to pay anywhere between $1,000 and $5,000 while a city grade greyhound which races at Cannington will generally start from $5,000. The better performed or more promising the dog, the greater chance to earn stakemoney resulting in a more hefty price tag. For the fi rst-time owner buying a proven race dog can generally be the safest way to commence your venture into the sport. By purchasing a proven race dog you can research it's form and credentials and watch it compete in races prior to putting an offer in on the canine. The old adage is "no one sells a champion", however many owners are happy to sell handy performers at the right price and many greyhounds who are just shy of city class in Victoria, New South Wales and Queensland come to WA and measure up well.

    By buying a proven race track performer you are a lot more likely to guarantee yourself some runs for your money on race night. Most greyhounds perform quite consistently throughout their life and barring injuries or bad habits most proven racing greyhounds can race on a weekly basis.

    Where do I buy my Dog from?
    When looking for racedogs or pups as a first timer it is always a good idea to speak to a few trainers/ breeders/current industry members to receive a bit of guidance.

    It is likely you will have a rapport with one of the trainers you talk to and from there they can often help you to find your race dog or pup.

    Both racedogs and pups are advertised in the free local greyhound advertising publication the Woofer, which is produced every second Wednesday and distributed on-course as well as on line at www.greyhoundswa.com.au in "the woofer" section.

    The Greyhounds WA website includes a links section and if you go to the "other greyhound related sites" section there are a host of websites with racedogs and pups for sale. Other publications such as National Greyhound Form and The Recorder have greyhounds of all ages advertised for sale. For more help or assistance in this area please do not hesitate to contact Greyhounds WA or the Club Promotions and Development Offi cers at Racing and Wagering Western Australia.

    Important points to remember!
    When purchasing greyhounds, be it pups or race dogs the general rule is "you get what you pay for!" The majority of the time if a deal sounds too good to be true, then it probably is. Of course there will always be fairytale stories where people have taken big risks and prevailed, but the reality is that this is not a common occurrence.

    Always check the form of any race dog you intend to look at with the thought of purchasing and get the greyhound graded! If possible, speak to people, such as friends and trainers, to see what they know about the greyhound. All too often people rush into the purchase of a greyhound, only to discover the dog is nothing like they were told it was. This rule also applies to puppies at the breaking in stage. If people are selling dogs that are of the age of breaking in, then there is a good chance that the dog has been tried and tested. It is rare for a person to sell a dog, especially at a bargain price, if they think the dog possibly has a bright racing career.

    Try to deal with people you trust, and ask around about people to get an indication of what they are like. Most important is to always form your own opinion. Never follow the group. Make your own decisions, and pave your own destiny throughout your involvement.

    One aspect that new participants and owners of the sport tend to forget is that there are no guarantees in racing. Just because you purchase well bred pups or well performed race dogs is no guarantee that the future will be prosperous and as straight forward as collecting your prizemoney each week.

    One day is a long time in greyhound racing, let alone 12 months in the case of pups developing to the breaking-in stage. For this reason it is vital that newcomers and current owners allow for these unexpected incidents and mishaps in their budgets, when calculating their expenditure. There are always ongoing fees and unexpected bills (eg. Veterinary costs) throughout a greyhound's racing career.

    Another important aspect is to remember to always respect the trainer, rearer and/or breeder. They usually have a wealth of knowledge that they are only too happy to share if asked. Their jobs involve long days and very little time off, as greyhounds don't take days off - they always need to be cared for. For this reason, if you wish to visit your greyhound it is advised you make an appointment or phone ahead, to ensure that your greyhound as well as all the others on the property, are given the time they need and deserve.

    rwwa.com.au

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  • MightyHawksMightyHawks    360 posts
    I also know a few people in the game and my suggestion would be to go for a proven young dog from over east with no more than 20 starts.
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  • GlenmoreParkGlenmorePark    527 posts
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    Yep, all trainers are 50/50 these days.

    I wish
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  • Box1RacingBox1Racing    675 posts
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    My advice would be not to buy a pup for the simple reason .......

    Bunji always gets very good ex victorian dogs that are proven and that would be your go.

    We would not have any problem getting a ready to run dog that would be city canno class for $10,000 and can get looking when need be or even now to place on the back burner
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    Can Bunji give us an approx. run down of the week to week (or month to month) costs for training.

    I understand they are a lot less than a racehorse, but would be interested to know how much?

    If i was going to train a dog for P.T.T then i would swipe the trainers fee and do a 50-50 as i do for all my dogs.

    The only cost there after would be purchase of the dog.
    Spelling @ $60 a week if it ever goes for 1 as well as any vets
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    Mr Bunji

    I think that is the go - if we get a dog we want one that is gonna race at Cannington so we can all met up and cheer it on

    I think $10k is the cap - then sell shares at 10% (so max outlay $1000) - if some people want a 5% then should be ok ???

    also happy to go 50/50 on prizemoney

    put PTT managers down for share no 1

    if we can get around 7 or 8 definite's then I think it wont be hard to get a few more in after purchase

    if you are a definite under those conditions please put ur name down here
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  • LuckyLongshotsLuckyLongshots    4,270 posts
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    if you are a definite under those conditions please put ur name down here

    I'll take a 10% share up to $1,000 and if there is space I have someone else that will take another, but obviously PTTer's come first!
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  • MightyHawksMightyHawks    360 posts
    Yep count me in
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  • G-MacG-Mac    1,677 posts
    I'll be in for 10% with a max outlay of $1000
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    4 and possibly 5 positions filled now - just need a few more
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