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  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
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    Just a different question for this topic I am not able to pin point and maybe others with better footage might be able to say...Off which leg did WS stubble from?. If n/f then fair call inside caused it but, if o/f then had to come from outside as HR was nowhere near WS's o/f leg at the time. Which front leg did WS stubble from??.

    Don't know about the stumbling, but the lacerations WS sustained were on the near side hock-see the stewards report:

    WARATAH'S SECRET (Paul Harvey) ? Tightened and bumped near the 600m and then blundered from heels. Returned with lacerations to the near hock.
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  • JustanLJustanL    356 posts
    Thanks Falcon. The other thing I look at is, without the chain reaction would LG have go the run it did. Yes LG copped the backwash but also got a cushy run taking the short cut. Where was LG's run going to be without the chain reaction?. How can it be said LG would have won without what happend, he could have been made to go 9 wide and get beat the same neck and also been the best thing beat. Move away from who caused the interference and look at how things fanned out, LG gained from it not lost from it imo.
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  • JustanLJustanL    356 posts
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    Just a different question for this topic I am not able to pin point and maybe others with better footage might be able to say...Off which leg did WS stubble from?. If n/f then fair call inside caused it but, if o/f then had to come from outside as HR was nowhere near WS's o/f leg at the time. Which front leg did WS stubble from??.

    Don't know about the stumbling, but the lacerations WS sustained were on the near side hock-see the stewards report:

    WARATAH'S SECRET (Paul Harvey) ? Tightened and bumped near the 600m and then blundered from heels. Returned with lacerations to the near hock.
    Near hock is back leg not front. Take the diagonal (o/f, n/h) then it came from o/f.
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  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
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    Thanks Falcon. The other thing I look at is, without the chain reaction would LG have go the run it did. Yes LG copped the backwash but also got a cushy run taking the short cut. Where was LG's run going to be without the chain reaction?. How can it be said LG would have won without what happend, he could have been made to go 9 wide and get beat the same neck and also been the best thing beat. Move away from who caused the interference and look at how things fanned out, LG gained from it not lost from it imo.

    He was following Ranger who was going around WS. Then WS drops back and to the right straight into the path of Ranger who pushes Luckygray towards the rail. O'Donnell then follows Tranquility along the rail before hooking around that horse when they straighten.

    If that interference doesn't happen, Donga's following Pike on the race favourite while HR is stuck on the rail behind Avienus looking for an out. It's critical that the last 600m of the race was run in 34.90 so momentum was important, but despite being put on the backfoot LG runs his last 600m in 33.89 almost half a sec quicker or 3 lengths than HR(34.32).
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  • GhurkaGhurka    254 posts
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    Thanks Falcon. The other thing I look at is, without the chain reaction would LG have go the run it did. Yes LG copped the backwash but also got a cushy run taking the short cut. Where was LG's run going to be without the chain reaction?. How can it be said LG would have won without what happend, he could have been made to go 9 wide and get beat the same neck and also been the best thing beat. Move away from who caused the interference and look at how things fanned out, LG gained from it not lost from it imo.

    He's Remarkable might still be stuck on the fence if he hadnt pushed out, what then.
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  • JustanLJustanL    356 posts
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    Thanks Falcon. The other thing I look at is, without the chain reaction would LG have go the run it did. Yes LG copped the backwash but also got a cushy run taking the short cut. Where was LG's run going to be without the chain reaction?. How can it be said LG would have won without what happend, he could have been made to go 9 wide and get beat the same neck and also been the best thing beat. Move away from who caused the interference and look at how things fanned out, LG gained from it not lost from it imo.

    He was following Ranger who was going around WS. Then WS drops back and to the right straight into the path of Ranger who pushes Luckygray towards the rail. O'Donnell then follows Tranquility along the rail before hooking around that horse when they straighten.

    If that interference doesn't happen, Donga's following Pike on the race favourite while HR is stuck on the rail behind Avienus looking for an out. It's critical that the last 600m of the race was run in 34.90 so momentum was important, but despite being put on the backfoot LG runs his last 600m in 33.89 almost half a sec quicker or 3 lengths than HR(34.32).
    What would LG have run its last 600 in if it had to go around them not up the inside of them?. Anyway back to the first question I raised, from which leg did WS stumble from?. HR was not close enough to the o/f to make him stumble which means it was caused from outside not inside. can you or anyone pin point the moment from the available videos which leg as that tells the story.
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  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
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    Just a different question for this topic I am not able to pin point and maybe others with better footage might be able to say...Off which leg did WS stubble from?. If n/f then fair call inside caused it but, if o/f then had to come from outside as HR was nowhere near WS's o/f leg at the time. Which front leg did WS stubble from??.

    Don't know about the stumbling, but the lacerations WS sustained were on the near side hock-see the stewards report:

    WARATAH'S SECRET (Paul Harvey) ? Tightened and bumped near the 600m and then blundered from heels. Returned with lacerations to the near hock.
    Near hock is back leg not front. Take the diagonal (o/f, n/h) then it came from o/f.
    It's possible it could have been sustained when it fell back into the path of Ranger:

    RANGER (William Pike) ? Checked severely passing the 600m unbalancing its rider for some distance. Returned with lacerations to the near fore knee.
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  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
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    Thanks Falcon. The other thing I look at is, without the chain reaction would LG have go the run it did. Yes LG copped the backwash but also got a cushy run taking the short cut. Where was LG's run going to be without the chain reaction?. How can it be said LG would have won without what happend, he could have been made to go 9 wide and get beat the same neck and also been the best thing beat. Move away from who caused the interference and look at how things fanned out, LG gained from it not lost from it imo.

    He was following Ranger who was going around WS. Then WS drops back and to the right straight into the path of Ranger who pushes Luckygray towards the rail. O'Donnell then follows Tranquility along the rail before hooking around that horse when they straighten.

    If that interference doesn't happen, Donga's following Pike on the race favourite while HR is stuck on the rail behind Avienus looking for an out. It's critical that the last 600m of the race was run in 34.90 so momentum was important, but despite being put on the backfoot LG runs his last 600m in 33.89 almost half a sec quicker or 3 lengths than HR(34.32).
    What would LG have run its last 600 in if it had to go around them not up the inside of them?.
    Are you kidding? He follows Ranger through instead of going backwards losing 2-3 lengths and having to regather himself. He would have run FASTER than 33.89. Nothing in the race got anywhere near him in terms of the last 600m sectional.
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  • JustanLJustanL    356 posts
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    Thanks Falcon. The other thing I look at is, without the chain reaction would LG have go the run it did. Yes LG copped the backwash but also got a cushy run taking the short cut. Where was LG's run going to be without the chain reaction?. How can it be said LG would have won without what happend, he could have been made to go 9 wide and get beat the same neck and also been the best thing beat. Move away from who caused the interference and look at how things fanned out, LG gained from it not lost from it imo.

    He's Remarkable might still be stuck on the fence if he hadnt pushed out, what then.
    If KM didnt move out when the gap was there he gets done for it. Was and should have been looking to get off the fence there. He did, and as I have asked, did he or the outside horse take out a foot from WS?. The only way to confirm who done it is work out which leg WS first stumbled off.
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  • wedgewedge    269 posts
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    Thanks Falcon. The other thing I look at is, without the chain reaction would LG have go the run it did. Yes LG copped the backwash but also got a cushy run taking the short cut. Where was LG's run going to be without the chain reaction?. How can it be said LG would have won without what happend, he could have been made to go 9 wide and get beat the same neck and also been the best thing beat. Move away from who caused the interference and look at how things fanned out, LG gained from it not lost from it imo.

    He's Remarkable might still be stuck on the fence if he hadnt pushed out, what then.
    interesting response ghurka. say HR doesnt push out and the field remains as it is prior to the interference, what horse would you rather have your money on, LG or HR, bet your arse its not LG :!:
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  • JustanLJustanL    356 posts
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    Thanks Falcon. The other thing I look at is, without the chain reaction would LG have go the run it did. Yes LG copped the backwash but also got a cushy run taking the short cut. Where was LG's run going to be without the chain reaction?. How can it be said LG would have won without what happend, he could have been made to go 9 wide and get beat the same neck and also been the best thing beat. Move away from who caused the interference and look at how things fanned out, LG gained from it not lost from it imo.

    He was following Ranger who was going around WS. Then WS drops back and to the right straight into the path of Ranger who pushes Luckygray towards the rail. O'Donnell then follows Tranquility along the rail before hooking around that horse when they straighten.

    If that interference doesn't happen, Donga's following Pike on the race favourite while HR is stuck on the rail behind Avienus looking for an out. It's critical that the last 600m of the race was run in 34.90 so momentum was important, but despite being put on the backfoot LG runs his last 600m in 33.89 almost half a sec quicker or 3 lengths than HR(34.32).
    What would LG have run its last 600 in if it had to go around them not up the inside of them?.
    Are you kidding? He follows Ranger through instead of going backwards losing 2-3 lengths and having to regather himself. He would have run FASTER than 33.89. Nothing in the race got anywhere near him in terms of the last 600m sectional.
    2-3 lengths? please. Copped a slight bump and got the run up the inside. Follows Ranger who fair dinkum cops it. Would he have beaten Ranger if Ranger got a clean run or been beaten a neck?. All this aside and as I have asked, which leg did WS stumble from?. The conclusion to all this comes with that reply. If WS stumbles o/f then the action was from the outside as HR was not close enough to take out the o/f.
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  • GhurkaGhurka    254 posts
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    Thanks Falcon. The other thing I look at is, without the chain reaction would LG have go the run it did. Yes LG copped the backwash but also got a cushy run taking the short cut. Where was LG's run going to be without the chain reaction?. How can it be said LG would have won without what happend, he could have been made to go 9 wide and get beat the same neck and also been the best thing beat. Move away from who caused the interference and look at how things fanned out, LG gained from it not lost from it imo.

    He's Remarkable might still be stuck on the fence if he hadnt pushed out, what then.
    interesting response ghurka. say HR doesnt push out and the field remains as it is prior to the interference, what horse would you rather have your money on, LG or HR, bet your arse its not LG :!:
    We will never know, KM (HE PLEADED QUILTY) saw to that.
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  • JustanLJustanL    356 posts
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    Thanks Falcon. The other thing I look at is, without the chain reaction would LG have go the run it did. Yes LG copped the backwash but also got a cushy run taking the short cut. Where was LG's run going to be without the chain reaction?. How can it be said LG would have won without what happend, he could have been made to go 9 wide and get beat the same neck and also been the best thing beat. Move away from who caused the interference and look at how things fanned out, LG gained from it not lost from it imo.

    He's Remarkable might still be stuck on the fence if he hadnt pushed out, what then.
    interesting response ghurka. say HR doesnt push out and the field remains as it is prior to the interference, what horse would you rather have your money on, LG or HR, bet your arse its not LG :!:
    We will never know, KM (HE PLEADED QUILTY) saw to that.

    Was that before or after the horse was relegated?. During the protest yes he said he moved out, but never said he caused the interference. After the relegation he was a done duck anyway. If stewards take a G1 race away from you, your gone no matter what you plead.
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  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
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    Thanks Falcon. The other thing I look at is, without the chain reaction would LG have go the run it did. Yes LG copped the backwash but also got a cushy run taking the short cut. Where was LG's run going to be without the chain reaction?. How can it be said LG would have won without what happend, he could have been made to go 9 wide and get beat the same neck and also been the best thing beat. Move away from who caused the interference and look at how things fanned out, LG gained from it not lost from it imo.

    He was following Ranger who was going around WS. Then WS drops back and to the right straight into the path of Ranger who pushes Luckygray towards the rail. O'Donnell then follows Tranquility along the rail before hooking around that horse when they straighten.

    If that interference doesn't happen, Donga's following Pike on the race favourite while HR is stuck on the rail behind Avienus looking for an out. It's critical that the last 600m of the race was run in 34.90 so momentum was important, but despite being put on the backfoot LG runs his last 600m in 33.89 almost half a sec quicker or 3 lengths than HR(34.32).
    What would LG have run its last 600 in if it had to go around them not up the inside of them?.
    Are you kidding? He follows Ranger through instead of going backwards losing 2-3 lengths and having to regather himself. He would have run FASTER than 33.89. Nothing in the race got anywhere near him in terms of the last 600m sectional.
    2-3 lengths? please. Copped a slight bump and got the run up the inside. Follows Ranger who fair dinkum cops it. Would he have beaten Ranger if Ranger got a clean run or been beaten a neck?. All this aside and as I have asked, which leg did WS stumble from?. The conclusion to all this comes with that reply. If WS stumbles o/f then the action was from the outside as HR was not close enough to take out the o/f.
    Actually it's Lord's Ransom(one of four peters horses) that Luckygray is following, not Tranquility as I have previously stated. But LG is a length behind this horse before the interference and 3+ lengths after Ranger drops back through the field. Ranger picks himself up to finish a credible 5th and LG was right on his back with a 3kg weight pull. Are you saying you'd rather be on HR, who is on the rail behind Avenius? He causes the interfernce by creating a gaping whole to run through and LG still runs almost 1/2 a sec faster.
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  • JustanLJustanL    356 posts
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    Thanks Falcon. The other thing I look at is, without the chain reaction would LG have go the run it did. Yes LG copped the backwash but also got a cushy run taking the short cut. Where was LG's run going to be without the chain reaction?. How can it be said LG would have won without what happend, he could have been made to go 9 wide and get beat the same neck and also been the best thing beat. Move away from who caused the interference and look at how things fanned out, LG gained from it not lost from it imo.

    He was following Ranger who was going around WS. Then WS drops back and to the right straight into the path of Ranger who pushes Luckygray towards the rail. O'Donnell then follows Tranquility along the rail before hooking around that horse when they straighten.

    If that interference doesn't happen, Donga's following Pike on the race favourite while HR is stuck on the rail behind Avienus looking for an out. It's critical that the last 600m of the race was run in 34.90 so momentum was important, but despite being put on the backfoot LG runs his last 600m in 33.89 almost half a sec quicker or 3 lengths than HR(34.32).
    What would LG have run its last 600 in if it had to go around them not up the inside of them?.
    Are you kidding? He follows Ranger through instead of going backwards losing 2-3 lengths and having to regather himself. He would have run FASTER than 33.89. Nothing in the race got anywhere near him in terms of the last 600m sectional.
    2-3 lengths? please. Copped a slight bump and got the run up the inside. Follows Ranger who fair dinkum cops it. Would he have beaten Ranger if Ranger got a clean run or been beaten a neck?. All this aside and as I have asked, which leg did WS stumble from?. The conclusion to all this comes with that reply. If WS stumbles o/f then the action was from the outside as HR was not close enough to take out the o/f.
    Actually it's Lord's Ransom(one of four peters horses) that Luckygray is following, not Tranquility as I have previously stated. But LG is a length behind this horse before the interference and 3+ lengths after Ranger drops back through the field. Ranger picks himself up to finish a credible 5th and LG was right on his back with a 3kg weight pull. Are you saying you'd rather be on HR, who is on the rail behind Avenius? He causes the interfernce by creating a gaping whole to run through and LG still runs almost 1/2 a sec faster.
    Ahhh but can you prove it was HR that caused what happened??. As I have asked and as a semipro puter you will have the coverage no doubt, which leg did WS first stumble from? If it was n/f then no probs HR caused it. If o/f then it must have come from outside for reasons I have already stated. Without the overhead veiw we get from melbourne during there big carnival the only way to define who done what is by looking at just which leg WS firstly stumbled from. Surely you can agree HR was not far enough across WS to take out his o/f?.
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  • GhurkaGhurka    254 posts
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    Thanks Falcon. The other thing I look at is, without the chain reaction would LG have go the run it did. Yes LG copped the backwash but also got a cushy run taking the short cut. Where was LG's run going to be without the chain reaction?. How can it be said LG would have won without what happend, he could have been made to go 9 wide and get beat the same neck and also been the best thing beat. Move away from who caused the interference and look at how things fanned out, LG gained from it not lost from it imo.

    He's Remarkable might still be stuck on the fence if he hadnt pushed out, what then.
    interesting response ghurka. say HR doesnt push out and the field remains as it is prior to the interference, what horse would you rather have your money on, LG or HR, bet your arse its not LG :!:
    We will never know, KM (HE PLEADED QUILTY) saw to that.

    Was that before or after the horse was relegated?. During the protest yes he said he moved out, but never said he caused the interference. After the relegation he was a done duck anyway. If stewards take a G1 race away from you, your gone no matter what you plead.[/quot

    Before or after is irrelevant, he pleaded guilty to causing interference, his actions saw to it that we will never know if LG or Ranger would hav won.
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  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
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    Thanks Falcon. The other thing I look at is, without the chain reaction would LG have go the run it did. Yes LG copped the backwash but also got a cushy run taking the short cut. Where was LG's run going to be without the chain reaction?. How can it be said LG would have won without what happend, he could have been made to go 9 wide and get beat the same neck and also been the best thing beat. Move away from who caused the interference and look at how things fanned out, LG gained from it not lost from it imo.

    He was following Ranger who was going around WS. Then WS drops back and to the right straight into the path of Ranger who pushes Luckygray towards the rail. O'Donnell then follows Tranquility along the rail before hooking around that horse when they straighten.

    If that interference doesn't happen, Donga's following Pike on the race favourite while HR is stuck on the rail behind Avienus looking for an out. It's critical that the last 600m of the race was run in 34.90 so momentum was important, but despite being put on the backfoot LG runs his last 600m in 33.89 almost half a sec quicker or 3 lengths than HR(34.32).
    What would LG have run its last 600 in if it had to go around them not up the inside of them?.
    Are you kidding? He follows Ranger through instead of going backwards losing 2-3 lengths and having to regather himself. He would have run FASTER than 33.89. Nothing in the race got anywhere near him in terms of the last 600m sectional.
    2-3 lengths? please. Copped a slight bump and got the run up the inside. Follows Ranger who fair dinkum cops it. Would he have beaten Ranger if Ranger got a clean run or been beaten a neck?. All this aside and as I have asked, which leg did WS stumble from?. The conclusion to all this comes with that reply. If WS stumbles o/f then the action was from the outside as HR was not close enough to take out the o/f.
    Actually it's Lord's Ransom(one of four peters horses) that Luckygray is following, not Tranquility as I have previously stated. But LG is a length behind this horse before the interference and 3+ lengths after Ranger drops back through the field. Ranger picks himself up to finish a credible 5th and LG was right on his back with a 3kg weight pull. Are you saying you'd rather be on HR, who is on the rail behind Avenius? He causes the interfernce by creating a gaping whole to run through and LG still runs almost 1/2 a sec faster.
    Ahhh but can you prove it was HR that caused what happened??. As I have asked and as a semipro puter you will have the coverage no doubt, which leg did WS first stumble from? If it was n/f then no probs HR caused it. If o/f then it must have come from outside for reasons I have already stated. Without the overhead veiw we get from melbourne during there big carnival the only way to define who done what is by looking at just which leg WS firstly stumbled from. Surely you can agree HR was not far enough across WS to take out his o/f?.
    I have seen the same replay everyone else has. But IMO Big Ted is not racing head-to-head with HR. I think he is 1/4 to 1/2 a length infront of the inside horse with Waratah's Secret trying to move forward into the gap between the two. I think the interference results when McEvoy pushes out not noticing WS and I believe he stumbles on the near side but it is difficult to be sure without the head on angle.
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  • JustanLJustanL    356 posts
    I didnt have a bet in the race so the result means nothing to my pocket. My question is and has been all night and for the past couple of days, how to define who caused it. As I have said, if the first clip of a heal is from the o/f then there is no way HR is at fault as he had not crossed enough to touch WS's o/f. If the first clip is n/f then fair enough HR caused it. Was and can it be proven that it was an inside movement out, or did infact the outside horse move in slightly?.( no jockey looking at a month will say "yep I moved in"). Forget who would be where in the running, focus on which leg from WS went first and the result is there.
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  • FearlessKat123FearlessKat123    35 posts
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    Thanks Falcon. The other thing I look at is, without the chain reaction would LG have go the run it did. Yes LG copped the backwash but also got a cushy run taking the short cut. Where was LG's run going to be without the chain reaction?. How can it be said LG would have won without what happend, he could have been made to go 9 wide and get beat the same neck and also been the best thing beat. Move away from who caused the interference and look at how things fanned out, LG gained from it not lost from it imo.

    He was following Ranger who was going around WS. Then WS drops back and to the right straight into the path of Ranger who pushes Luckygray towards the rail. O'Donnell then follows Tranquility along the rail before hooking around that horse when they straighten.

    If that interference doesn't happen, Donga's following Pike on the race favourite while HR is stuck on the rail behind Avienus looking for an out. It's critical that the last 600m of the race was run in 34.90 so momentum was important, but despite being put on the backfoot LG runs his last 600m in 33.89 almost half a sec quicker or 3 lengths than HR(34.32).
    Towards the rail LG the replay i have seen LG hits the rail 8)
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  • SandgroperSandgroper    14 posts
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    Thank god these stewards don't preside over charges in a court of law.
    Circumstantial, inconclusive evidence to say the least. Benefit of doubt should remain with the first horse past the post.
    Of course Chui is going to say he didn't shift it - he doesn't want to get a 4 week holiday too!

    Not sure if already mentioned, so many posts on this thread. Hopefully stewards took into account Big Ted's history of hanging-in. Included in stewards reports many of Big Ted's more recent starts.
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
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    I didnt have a bet in the race so the result means nothing to my pocket. My question is and has been all night and for the past couple of days, how to define who caused it. As I have said, if the first clip of a heal is from the o/f then there is no way HR is at fault as he had not crossed enough to touch WS's o/f. If the first clip is n/f then fair enough HR caused it. Was and can it be proven that it was an inside movement out, or did infact the outside horse move in slightly?.( no jockey looking at a month will say "yep I moved in"). Forget who would be where in the running, focus on which leg from WS went first and the result is there.

    i can tell you with certainty, because i have the vision, that shows bt moved in at least 1 horse width just prior to the bend starting.
    there was a good space between the 3 horse before the bend
    just before the bend they are tight, and the only one of the 3 that stays in the same line is hr.
    not conjecture, not opinion, but fact...unless the camera is lying
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  • DarkDark    909 posts
    14 pages before you get the hang if what a debate is Carey and provide some proof to your argument.

    WD.
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  • GlenmoreParkGlenmorePark    527 posts
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    i can tell you with certainty, because i have the vision, that shows bt moved in at least 1 horse width just prior to the bend starting.
    there was a good space between the 3 horse before the bend
    just before the bend they are tight, and the only one of the 3 that stays in the same line is hr.
    not conjecture, not opinion, but fact...unless the camera is lying

    So please share that vision with everyone so we can confirm or otherwise for ourselves
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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    14 pages and I'm yet to see a credible defence of the decision :shock:
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  • lordwaterlordwater    1,127 posts
    I still feel a MOVIE in the air. Perhaps a sequel. lol.
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
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    i can tell you with certainty, because i have the vision, that shows bt moved in at least 1 horse width just prior to the bend starting.
    there was a good space between the 3 horse before the bend
    just before the bend they are tight, and the only one of the 3 that stays in the same line is hr.
    not conjecture, not opinion, but fact...unless the camera is lying

    Carey any chance of posting a link to "your" video evidence :?: Since it appears the stewards don't appear to have the courage of their convictions to provide sufficient justification to support their decision.

    Over 200 posts on this thread already and probably at least another 100+ on other threads about this topic, so obviously there are questions that remain unanswered from that stewards report summation.
    Naturally the people employed by RWWA/PR (i.e. Racing Radio) are going to support the decision. They and the people who backed Lucky Grey seem to be the only ones that do.

    Stewards like any other employee should be held accountable for their performance. They should come out and publicly defend this decision (satifactorily), providing all evidence - before it becomes suppressed due to litigation by the connections of He's Remarkable. Based on what has come to light and what remains unrefuted the decision reeks! If I owned HR this case wouldn't be over by a long way!
    If nothing is forthcoming from the stewards then RWWA should hold an independent inquiry in to their performance in this fiasco and make the findings public. If the outcome is an ill-informed decision was made and poor performance is proven then Lewis should be demoted - at the very least.
    Presently this decision portrays WA racing in a very bad light :snooty:
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  • VoodooVoodoo    1,369 posts
    The vision, unfortunately, doesn't show the interference clearly enough.
    Whatever was said by all the jockey's involved has obviously had a huge bearing on the stewards decision.
    Unless anyone has seen or heard the transcript from the evidence taken then it is pretty difficult to judge the stewards decision fairly.
    Whether you believe the public is entitled to hear or see this evidence is another subject.

    cheers
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  • DarkDark    909 posts
    said:

    14 pages and I'm yet to see a credible defence of the decision :shock:

    Your not reading too well then, heres a couple.

    1. Mcevoy himself said he cause it
    2. WS shifted OUTWARDS at the time of interferance indicating the contact was inside him
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    all you need is the vision of the race(and the footage shown after chui enters the room, which is not shown on the sky vision of the race), and the ability to put it on your computer, and then move frame by frame with any free software.
    it's hardly rocket science.
    then you can see it.

    and if you doubt me then go and look at d wyers pictures on his facebook site.
    you can clearly see hr still half off the rail, and big ted right next door, with no room for an in between horse...AFTER the interefence has occurred.

    as for you dt, i could not care less what you think.
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  • DarkDark    909 posts
    said:

    all you need is the vision of the race(and the footage shown after chui enters the room, which is not shown on the sky vision of the race), and the ability to put it on your computer, and then move frame by frame with any free software.
    it's hardly rocket science.
    then you can see it.

    and if you doubt me then go and look at d wyers pictures on his facebook site.
    you can clearly see hr still half off the rail, and big ted right next door, with no room for an in between horse...AFTER the interefence has occurred.

    as for you dt, i could not care less what you think.

    Where did i say what i think?

    Pot, kettle?

    For someone to WASTE 13 pages of this thread arguing the point for no apparent reason, it seems unusual you would contribute to this debate in a usefull manner by providing some evidence.
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