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An open letter to RWWA Thoroughbred Chief Steward Brad Lewis

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AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
An open letter to RWWA Thoroughbred Chief Steward Brad Lewis

Dear Sir
I would like to express my disappointment at your failure to provide a comprehensive explanation and to produce the vision and evidence upon which your decision was based to uphold a 2nd against 1st protest for indirect interference in Saturday's $1,000,000 Group 1 Railway Stakes at Ascot.

Given the extremely contentious nature of this decision I firmly believe that the 25,000 strong crowd, industry participants, the punting public and the racing media were and still are owed, an explanation for this decision.

With millions riding on the outcome of this protest there is little doubt that if the reasoning behind this decision had been provided together with the vision and evidence upon which this decision was based that this would have diffused at least some of the resulting controversy which unfortunately has cast WA racing in an extremely poor light on a day when the national and international spotlight was firmly focused on WA racing.

Surely if you were confident enough to act with 100% certainty and uphold this protest for indirect interference, then your reasoning and video evidence would hold up to any external scrutiny.

RWWA officials demand consistently high standards of professionalism and accountability from licensed industry participants and those associated with the industry why shouldn't the industry both demand and expect the same level of professionalism and accountability from you and your stewards panel and other RWWA employees.

RWWA is not a private club, it is a government funded organisation and therefore it should and must be subject, both now and in the future, to the same level of scrutiny and accountability as any government department.

Your failure to provide a public explanation for your protest decision is both arrogant and contemptuous of the public, the industry, the Australian racing media and the WA taxpayers who pay the wages of yourself and your RWWA colleagues.

Sadly this contemptuous attitude is all too typical of what the industry, the public, punters, and the racing media have come to expect from RWWA and this is simply not good enough, you and your panel are in effect public servants.

Your stance in this regard is unprofessional and reeks of hypocrisy given the level of professionalism and accountability that is demanded of industry participants who are held accountable for the horses they train even in their absence.

If you and the members of your stewards panel wish to regain credibility in regard to this controversial decision in the eyes of the public, punters, industry participants & the Australian racing media then I strongly urge you to call a televised media conference that is open to both the public and the media as you take them step by step through the reasoning (including the available vision) behind your decision.

Like many others within the industry who derive their living from it I eagerly look forward to hearing and viewing your explanation and the reasoning that led to this contentious decision.

Yours faithfully

Andrew Carter

Comments

  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,016 posts
    A televised media conference on this matter would attract marginally more viewers than a test pattern transmission.

    Andrew take a breath, go on holiday, do something but leave Racing alone for a little while. It sounds very much like it is eating you up.
  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    On sky obviously Damien

    It is common practice in other states for stewards to give an interview in regard to contentious protests why should it be any different here.

    Mr Lewis decision to refuse an interview in regard to the result of an extremely contentious protest or to provide media briefing was extrmely poor and they lost an opportunity diffuse a lot of the controversy before it had even really gathered momentum.
    Do you consider Ron dufficy a mug Damien?

    I certainly dont, I consider him one of the best racing analysts if not the best racing analyst in this country and he labelled the protest decision based upon the vision available as being disgraceful and that there was no way based upon that vision that a portest for indirect interference could be upheld.

    If the situation in regard to the first two horses was reversed I would still be arguing the same point and so would most going on the vision we have been shown which is totally inconclusive.

    I like many others would like to see what their decision was based upon and if their 100% certain and confident that they made the correct decision I fail to see why that would be a problem,

    Surely if they're confident in their decision making process then they have nothing to fear from this so why shouldn't it be open to viewing by people who are interested in seeing for themselves exactly how they came to formulating this decision and what conclusive evidence it was actually based upon.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,016 posts
    This decision is written in stone. Doesn't matter what any personality thinks. I don't see the overwhelming evidence to take away a Group 1 from He's Remarkable, but they did and we need to just get on with life.

    There will be fallout however, Wes Cameron doesn't think so, but I wouldn't be giving too much chance of visiting Trainers from NZ or from some larger stables in the East just quietly deciding that Perth and WA are just too hard.

    I think you need to quickly come to the realisation, that you are not about to change this result, you are not about to have anyone hung over this matter that sat listening to evidence in that protest.

    Let it go Andrew.
  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    I am not out to hang anyone but the racing industry and the paying public and the media on the day deserved better and we're still owed a proper explanation for what was a ground breaking decision in WA racing and the potential consequences stemming from this are enormous.

    This was and still remains an extremely contentious issue and while Wes is knowledgeable about a lot of industry issues he is not always correct in his assessment nor am I but you can guarantee that this decision has changed the landscape for protests in WA racing for many years to come.
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    i completely disagree with one thing you've stated there Damien. I would be very surprised if stables from the east give us a miss.
    The money is excellent, you dont have to bring the best in Australia, throw up an eastern states hoop, and the prizes are there for the picking.
    If you think they wont come because of one controversial protest decision, I think you are wrong.

    Heres a reminder: Ortensia x 2, Niconero x2, Takeover Target x2, Markus maximus, snipers bullet x2, Canali, Gathering. Im sure ive missed a few in there but this is just the last three years.
  • SuburbanPunkSuburbanPunk    199 posts
    Andrew, Damian is right let it go.

    You are like a crow eating scraps off the road with a road train approaching at 120km's

    Sooner or later the result is evident. The crow flies away and lives to scavenge another day or he gets cleaned up at full force.

    Either way, there is a result.

    Just because you think the result is wrong doesn't mean you are right.

    Build a bridge Andrew otherwise you will implode with moralistic frustration.

    You have been through enough unwarranted turmoil in your life, peace will not come to you with this pent up anger towards Perth Racing and RWWA.

    Who cares who thinks the protest decision was right or wrong, opposing views and opinions will always be to the fore and we cling on to those who we believe can give our argument more credibility. In this case Ron Dufficy. Each side can pin-point high standing, well known figures and obviously a lot of others who are entitled to have an opinion as well.

    The decision rests with Brad Lewis and his team and everyone has to abide by the decision. If the connections want to take it further then they have every right.
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    ever flicked your pad and watched it go through to the keeper......but the bowler is screaming his tits off and that stupid little white rabbit up the other end has bought it hook, line and sinker.....his hand is slowly rising towards the sky........you've been fired.

    what do you do?

    walk son, just walk.....
  • oscarwildyoscarwildy    63 posts
    I think if one John Zucal had been in charge of Saturday;s meeting the final outcome would have been different. At least he did have a few clues.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,016 posts
    said:

    i completely disagree with one thing you've stated there Damien. I would be very surprised if stables from the east give us a miss.
    The money is excellent, you dont have to bring the best in Australia, throw up an eastern states hoop, and the prizes are there for the picking.
    If you think they wont come because of one controversial protest decision, I think you are wrong.

    Heres a reminder: Ortensia x 2, Niconero x2, Takeover Target x2, Markus maximus, snipers bullet x2, Canali, Gathering. Im sure ive missed a few in there but this is just the last three years.

    Nah, I was looking forward. Anyway I think they will stay away next year for the Winterbottom purely because of Barakey. Nothing will get near him. Black Caviar will never come here now, she is bound for the UK and I would think that after another Spring Carnival in Melbourne she will be retired with grace and off to the barn.

    But perhaps you are right, a couple of broken down old hacks might make the trip seeing how they think we are such easy beats over here.
  • Stewards report has an explanation
  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    So asking for an explanation of their reasoning is asking too much, you've got to be kidding Suburban.

    It's a highly contentious decision, the available video is totally inconclusive and I'm far from an orphan in believing that.

    The public, the punters and the media were treated with contempt when Mr Lewis declined to discuss the decision when asked for a post protest interview if you're 100% confident you've made the right decision then you have nothing to hide.

    By failing to discuss their reasoning and airing vision which clearly had to have been conclusive, they're missing an opportunity to clear the air and diffuse the controversy surrounding this decision.
  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    Well in my eyes if the stewards don't provide justification it can only be because they have made a monumental stuff-up that has made a farce of the states most prestigious race and the outcome will be an embarrassment to them and could possibly result in litigation.
    Time for Brad & co to man up and face the music.
    Maybe we need to keep looking for someone to step up and fill the shoes of J Zucal?
  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    I can't understand why you wouldnt come out and speak about it, a good offence is always the best defence.

    It would take all the heat out of the situation if they aired conclusive vision which they must certainly have in their possession in order to make such a critical decision based upon indirect interference.
  • primemoverprimemover    141 posts
    :roll: Time to go to bed Andrew,you have had your say, why it has taken you 3 day's to have a gripe I don't know, for my 2cents worth I think they made the right decision on evidence viewed and evidence given. Case Dismissed. We all should move on. :roll:
  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    edited November 2011
    I don't know about you prime but I'm yet to see anything resembling conclusive video evidence but they must have it otherwise there is no way known you could possibly make a decision such as this one.

    I waited because logically given the controversy surrounding this decision I expected them to come out and provide a logical explanation and to air their conclusive vision but for some unknown reason they haven't.

    Why would you stick your head in the sand if you're confident you have made the correct decision.
  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    said:

    Stewards report has an explanation

    Glosses over what is most likely the most important and most contentious protest in the history of WA racing. Fails to address several factors and issues that have been raised
  • I think you will find that Mr Carter has had plenty to say under his many alias's on this site. :wink:
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,016 posts
    I don't think they explain much more in protests than how they have responded to this one. If the protest had been dismissed, with simply a one line explanation of lack of a reasonable change in the outcome had the interferrance not taken place, then nobody would be asking for much more than that.
  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    Damien this was a protest upheld in a Group 1, on one of our biggest days witha huge crowd in attendance, based upon indirect interference and seemingly with an absence of anything resembling conclusive video evidence, there is nothing normal about this situation at all.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,016 posts
    You can express an opinion, you can say in your opinion they got it wrong. But calling for televised media conferences and somewhere short of a parlimentary inquiry is just silly.

    Like Wes says, build a bridge mate. Life is too short.
  • GhurkaGhurka    254 posts
    said:

    Damien this was a protest upheld in a Group 1, on one of our biggest days witha huge crowd in attendance, based upon indirect interference and seemingly with an absence of anything resembling conclusive video evidence, there is nothing normal about this situation at all.

    Takeover Target lost a Group One not that long ago, many thought the case then was tenious at best. no different, stewards made a decision.
  • PieManPieMan    271 posts
    Hi Andrew,
    I work for the government, and I can tell you one thing, the squeaky wheels gets the oil. Send your letter. Even if it makes you feel better.
    If I'm pissed off, and it seems it's more regular as I get older, I make sure I complain, because the silent majority are way too silent.
    But, in saying that, I make sure I recognize good service and I make sure they hear it.
    Go on, Son. Send it.
    Keep smilin'
    K.B
  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    edited November 2011
    Since when do two wrongs make a right Ghurka.

    By the way I'm not stupid I know the result won't be overturned and to overturn it now would be more damaging than making the decision in the first place anyway however I firmly believe that we are entitled to a logical explanation of their decision and to view their conclusive video evidence.

    Let me put it to you another way, trainers and jockeys etc when they're inquired into or charged with a breach of the rules have to prove their case, why shouldn't the stewards in an instance such as this have to publicly prove theirs.
  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    I have Pie Man it's posted on here, the stewards keep an eye on the forum that's why I called it an open letter to RWWA Thoroughbred Chief Steward Brad Lewis.
  • PieManPieMan    271 posts
    Hi Andrew,
    Don't rely on assumption. Send a letter to Perth Racing and they'll have to reply.
    They don't have to reply to a forum.
    If they've got nothing to hide, it should be no big problem for them.
    Keep smilin'
    K.B
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,016 posts
    In that respect Andrew, you could have written the letter in a much more of conciliatory tone that didn't refer to their actions as "contempt when Mr Lewis declined to discuss the decision".

    When did John Zucal hold a post race press conference to justify his decisions?
  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    Damien with all due respect that was concilliatory and well considered the public, punters and the industry were all treated with zero respect by the chief steward on the day.
  • FearlessKat123FearlessKat123    35 posts
    said:

    In that respect Andrew, you could have written the letter in a much more of conciliatory tone that didn't refer to their actions as "contempt when Mr Lewis declined to discuss the decision".

    When did John Zucal hold a post race press conference to justify his decisions?

    When he handed in his notice to leave :oops:
  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    Respect is earned Damien and I'll leave it at that.
  • joneseejonesee    715 posts
    Perhaps I am also in the minority in agreeing with Andrews post. I have emailled the stewards once every six months or so in the past when I have had serious questions. I always received courteous replies and often learnt something myself from the exchange. ( I do understand they cannot reply to every random email in detail ) Unfortunately a long email to the stewards about a really slowly run recent race in Albany received no acknowledgement at all. This definitely seems a change from the days when Mr Zucal was in charge.
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