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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    Surely "when" the owners appeal the decision to the Racing Penalties Appeal Tribunual and it "is" successful and then gets referred back to the stewards, surely it would/should be heard by a different panel of stewards because the ones that presided over the initial protest would have a conflict of interest and it could be perceived that they are no longer impartial :?:
    As if the protest is over-turned it has the potential to have a direct impact on them.... :think:
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,482 posts
    Bring back John Zucal!!
    Satisfied, burnt caviar?? :P
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  • GhurkaGhurka    254 posts
    I am told it will only go back if therw has been procedual error and will be before the same panel.
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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    Does watching the evidence with eyes closed count as a procedural error?
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  • FearlessKat123FearlessKat123    35 posts
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    of course he can't.
    pb has NO credibility, because it's plainly obvious he is not impartial, and only seeing what he wants to see rather than what actually happened.

    so whenever pb opens his mouth in future i will know not to take any notice of him.
    of course we are all idiots except for those that can see things that NEVER happened.

    I think your very confused Carey :roll: , it's obvious that Rogue_Green was talking to Semipro Punter :(
    only with the first line, i admit i was confused, rest of post stands firm
    Carey have heard your Rants in the Past and PB speaks more horse sense then your inside left hock 8)
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  • FearlessKat123FearlessKat123    35 posts
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    Surely "when" the owners appeal the decision to the Racing Penalties Appeal Tribunual and it "is" successful and then gets referred back to the stewards, surely it would/should be heard by a different panel of stewards because the ones that presided over the initial protest would have a conflict of interest and it could be perceived that they are no longer impartial :?:
    As if the protest is over-turned it has the potential to have a direct impact on them.... :think:

    OK Funkster is this was to happen in side your head in Fairy Land we would need to re-run the race and post the Stewards around the track of the Railways so they can sit in on the the Panel in Fairy Land -Do the Crime do the Time 8)
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
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    of course he can't.
    pb has NO credibility, because it's plainly obvious he is not impartial, and only seeing what he wants to see rather than what actually happened.

    so whenever pb opens his mouth in future i will know not to take any notice of him.
    of course we are all idiots except for those that can see things that NEVER happened.

    I think your very confused Carey :roll: , it's obvious that Rogue_Green was talking to Semipro Punter :(
    only with the first line, i admit i was confused, rest of post stands firm
    Carey have heard your Rants in the Past and PB speaks more horse sense then your inside left hock 8)
    and you're just a typical dimwit, that can't produce an argument.
    he may well have more horse sense than me, that would apply to 99.9999% of the population.
    he can see things that never happened too....so not only must he have extraordinary horse sense, he has extra sensory power too!
    go crawl back under your rock from whence you came.
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    said:

    said:

    Surely "when" the owners appeal the decision to the Racing Penalties Appeal Tribunual and it "is" successful and then gets referred back to the stewards, surely it would/should be heard by a different panel of stewards because the ones that presided over the initial protest would have a conflict of interest and it could be perceived that they are no longer impartial :?:
    As if the protest is over-turned it has the potential to have a direct impact on them.... :think:

    OK Funkster is this was to happen in side your head in Fairy Land we would need to re-run the race and post the Stewards around the track of the Railways so they can sit in on the the Panel in Fairy Land -Do the Crime do the Time 8)
    dear little person,
    it takes a special type of person to be able to write like you are doing.
    they would be about 6 years old and in prep grade, so why are you up so late?
    not to mention you have to be 13 years old or over to post here i thought....were you given special dispensation?
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  • DarkDark    909 posts
    Hypocrite much carey, playing the man?

    Pathetic.
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  • FearlessKat123FearlessKat123    35 posts
    said:

    said:

    said:

    Surely "when" the owners appeal the decision to the Racing Penalties Appeal Tribunual and it "is" successful and then gets referred back to the stewards, surely it would/should be heard by a different panel of stewards because the ones that presided over the initial protest would have a conflict of interest and it could be perceived that they are no longer impartial :?:
    As if the protest is over-turned it has the potential to have a direct impact on them.... :think:

    OK Funkster is this was to happen in side your head in Fairy Land we would need to re-run the race and post the Stewards around the track of the Railways so they can sit in on the the Panel in Fairy Land -Do the Crime do the Time 8)
    dear little person,
    it takes a special type of person to be able to write like you are doing.
    they would be about 6 years old and in prep grade, so why are you up so late?
    not to mention you have to be 13 years old or over to post here i thought....were you given special dispensation?
    Sorry old Man,Forgot you could never take what you dish out :lol:

    ZEM BONES ZEM BONES ZEM BAG OF BONES 8)
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
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    Hypocrite much carey, playing the man?

    Pathetic.

    only when it's played to me first.
    and i knew you would be first to pop up too.
    you're a driven man now.
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    said:

    said:

    said:

    said:

    Surely "when" the owners appeal the decision to the Racing Penalties Appeal Tribunual and it "is" successful and then gets referred back to the stewards, surely it would/should be heard by a different panel of stewards because the ones that presided over the initial protest would have a conflict of interest and it could be perceived that they are no longer impartial :?:
    As if the protest is over-turned it has the potential to have a direct impact on them.... :think:

    OK Funkster is this was to happen in side your head in Fairy Land we would need to re-run the race and post the Stewards around the track of the Railways so they can sit in on the the Panel in Fairy Land -Do the Crime do the Time 8)
    dear little person,
    it takes a special type of person to be able to write like you are doing.
    they would be about 6 years old and in prep grade, so why are you up so late?
    not to mention you have to be 13 years old or over to post here i thought....were you given special dispensation?
    Sorry old Man,Forgot you could never take what you dish out :lol:

    ZEM BONES ZEM BONES ZEM BAG OF BONES 8)
    i can take it just fine, but the last line has me thinking i over estimated your age.
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  • DarkDark    909 posts
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    Hypocrite much carey, playing the man?

    Pathetic.

    only when it's played to me first.
    and i knew you would be first to pop up too.
    you're a driven man now.
    Don't need any drive to make you look a fool, takes care of itself.
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    said:

    said:

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    Hypocrite much carey, playing the man?

    Pathetic.

    only when it's played to me first.
    and i knew you would be first to pop up too.
    you're a driven man now.
    Don't need any drive to make you look a fool, takes care of itself.
    congratulations, you have finally figured it out....well done.
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  • SuburbanPunkSuburbanPunk    199 posts
    Boys, you are starting to sound like school children.

    I think it is time to dispense with this thread as it is deteriorating.

    Diva, take control.
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    i have faith that diva will leave it just as it is.
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  • ChrisChris    5,734 posts
    Regardless any posts not discussing the topic from now on will be removed
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  • DarkDark    909 posts
    Any posts not discussing the topic should surely have been covered after 18 pages

    Sadly I thought there would actually be some DEBATE on the matter, how wrong I was :roll:
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
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    Any posts not discussing the topic should surely have been covered after 18 pages

    Sadly I thought there would actually be some DEBATE on the matter, how wrong I was :roll:

    all my fault of course! :lol:

    i'll try my harder next time, but i thought there was plenty of debate and opinion.
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    I didn't think there was much to debate. Damien's pictures are pretty damning, it's a bit hard to debate what is black and white, or enlarged glossy colours in this instance :P

    Surely the only people that could support the decision would be people who either backed the horse, are connected to the horse or don't want to upset anyone at RWWA.

    So if someone got convicted of murder on inconclusive, circumstantial and fabricated evidence would we be saying just let it go?
    A few hypocrites out there imo.....justice needs to be served
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  • GhurkaGhurka    254 posts
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    I didn't think there was much to debate. Damien's pictures are pretty damning, it's a bit hard to debate what is black and white, or enlarged glossy colours in this instance :P

    Surely the only people that could support the decision would be people who either backed the horse, are connected to the horse or don't want to upset anyone at RWWA.
    So if someone got convicted of murder on inconclusive, circumstantial and fabricated evidence would we be saying just let it go?
    A few hypocrites out there imo.....justice needs to be served

    Stupid comment, plenty of everyday racing people agree with the decision.
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  • GlenmoreParkGlenmorePark    527 posts
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    I didn't think there was much to debate. Damien's pictures are pretty damning, it's a bit hard to debate what is black and white, or enlarged glossy colours in this instance :P

    The still photos are anything but conclusive. Even Damien mentioned the person with him at the time who believed the photos supported the Steward's decision--only thing I could get out of his photos was that at one stage HR is against the rails and then he is 1/2 horse wider. The photo where Damien suggests Chui's horse is hard to handle is after the incident when WS has been forced out into him by HR
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
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    Stupid comment, plenty of everyday racing people agree with the decision.

    Yes but plenty of everyday racing people are dimwits :P
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  • RadmanRadman    1,992 posts
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    Yes but plenty of everyday racing people are dimwits :P

    We can finally end this thread with something we can all agree on.

    ***Thread Locked***
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    enough of the personal stuff or I will lock the thread.

    cheers.
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  • RodentRodent    7,470 posts
    I just had a look at Damien's photos and the first of the sequence is well after the field started turning. He's Remarkable moves out just as he hits the turn (well before Damien's photos begin). There's no doubt in my mind that at about the 640m mark when they commence the turn, He's Remarkable shifts out and bumps Waratah's Secret into Big Ted who is put off balance and lays in. The thing is, Waratah's Secret doesn't stumble until about the 560m mark.
    Damien's photos suggest that at the point where Waratah's Secret stumbles badly Big Ted is laying in.
    I would have dismissed the protest even if Big Ted hadn't contacted Waratah's Secret. The shift from He's Remarkable was minor and not blatant and for WS to check that badly, there had to be pressure from the outside.
    Anyway, to lose a race for such a minor shift and indirect interference was a howler imho.
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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
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    I just had a look at Damien's photos and the first of the sequence is well after the field started turning. He's Remarkable moves out just as he hits the turn (well before Damien's photos begin). There's no doubt in my mind that at about the 640m mark when they commence the turn, He's Remarkable shifts out and bumps Waratah's Secret into Big Ted who is put off balance and lays in. The thing is, Waratah's Secret doesn't stumble until about the 560m mark.
    Damien's photos suggest that at the point where Waratah's Secret stumbles badly Big Ted is laying in.
    I would have dismissed the protest even if Big Ted hadn't contacted Waratah's Secret. The shift from He's Remarkable was minor and not blatant and for WS to check that badly, there had to be pressure from the outside.
    Anyway, to lose a race for such a minor shift and indirect interference was a howler imho.

    Yep to all of that :thumbup:
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  • MountainMountain    73 posts
    I was fairly convinced that He's Remarkable was responsible for the entirety of the contact, and although struggled to 100% agree that Luckygray deserved to win the race, I always felt He's Remarkable made the race 'unfair' to it's advantage and in my opinion, didn't 'deserve' to win the race.

    I may have to revise that slightly after viewing the replay a few times!

    Really do think (like the majority) that Big Ted played a part in contributing to that contact, though He's Remarkable in my opinion did just as much.

    I don't know, just had to type out my revised opinion...... but now I'm more confused than before.
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
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    I was fairly convinced that He's Remarkable was responsible for the entirety of the contact, and although struggled to 100% agree that Luckygray deserved to win the race, I always felt He's Remarkable made the race 'unfair' to it's advantage and in my opinion, didn't 'deserve' to win the race.

    I may have to revise that slightly after viewing the replay a few times!

    Really do think (like the majority) that Big Ted played a part in contributing to that contact, though He's Remarkable in my opinion did just as much.

    I don't know, just had to type out my revised opinion...... but now I'm more confused than before.

    well you are honest, so doubt anything else matters.
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,985 posts
    Never let it be said that photographic proof is anything but that. People have left comments saying the horse has moved out or is clearly off its line. Others have come to the conclusion that He's Remarkable didn't impede Waratah's Secret enough.

    With this amount of debate now still going 6 days later, with all having the luxury of time to formulate an opinion, I do feel a bit for the Stewards who felt compelled to make a decision on the day. They were never going to please everyone, no matter what their decision.

    It's just going to be one of those races where everyone will remember it for different reasons.
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