Thoroughbred – Steward Investigation & Analysis of Wagering Activities Reveals No Impropriety

goose · February 2013

You must have missed about 10 previous threads on the subject.

Piston_Broke · February 2013

goose said:
You must have missed about 10 previous threads on the subject.

We don't want to hear Mailmans rants, just name 2 or 3 races where it's looked obvious something has gone on

RIO · February 2013

goose said:
You must have missed about 10 previous threads on the subject.

Agree Goose....I'm one of the negative protagonists...and I'M sick of hearing about it...I'm certainly not going to re-post, and re-post and re-post...

I seriously reckon the stewards are doing things to reduce the potential impact...the past 3 or 4 weeks have been conspiracy free in my opinion...but then again i have stopped looking too!!!

darkshines · February 2013

Piston_Broke said:

goose said:
You must have missed about 10 previous threads on the subject.
We don't want to hear Mailmans rants, just name 2 or 3 races where it's looked obvious something has gone on

Technically not 'Perth' Racing . . . but personnel are

http://www.perthturftalk.com.au/discussion/discussion/13915/kal-r2

Proven cat backed as if unbeatable, 2nd horse wins next two from memory. Watch the replay and be the judge.

thefalcon · February 2013

kalgoorlie is...err, kalgoorlie.

darkshines · February 2013

So the 3 local jocks stage the races themselves do they . . . .

RIO · February 2013

the request was to show a few races to look at.......Are you now saying it looks suspicious but you dont feel it was only jockeys involved???

raconteur · February 2013

one question godockers- from your posts, it appears as if you think that there is nothing in WA racing of concern and that everything (each race) has been absolute....is that your assertion ?

but before you answer - I for one, do not think that all is rosey at this current juncture within racing in WA . RWWA's verbose, handcrafted statement, simply gives lip service in addressing points which have been openly discussed on this forum - but more importantly, have been and are discussed, at every racecourse and (I would imagine) are discussed in many racing households daily.

jonesee · February 2013

I think in some way the rwwa reaction and statement shows how nervous they really are about what has been going in WA racing during the past 12 months. I would love to take RIOs line and hope against hope that this is the start of a determined interest by stewards. As with everyone else I am a little tired by the topic but surely it is a vitally important one and perth turf talk has done a bloody good job of getting this on the agenda and out there.

RIO · February 2013

i was just going to like your post jonesee...but though that would've look like i'm vain, cos you mentioned my name..

I agree, this forum has bought and kept this subject in the spotlight...There have been many races discussed on here over the past 12 months..Enough to get them to look.....

Due to people within RWWA being tarred by involvement in the AC affair, i find it incredulous to see them involved with Integrity....this one aspect alone is enough to question the capacity of any RWWA investigation in relation to corruption, dishonesty and questionable behaviour within its jurisdiction...

I'm confident it is the start, but anyone with an interest in this has to keep pushing, and discussions on here have become very tiresome... So it may be time to start telling the stories to people other than us and RWWA..

godockers · February 2013

Actually raconteur , I do believe that 99.9 % of races and racing people in Western australia are honest and above board , II am more concerned at the constant uneducated comments on this forum from a would be lynch mob ! However ,when the authorities that be hold an investigation the same people throw immediate scorn and ridicule at it , So, simple solution, take your gambling dollar elsewhere ! You are entitled to your opinion Rio , but a little bit of temperance and respect to the people involved in the industry( Punters, jockeys, trainers , owners etc) is also probably called for ..... BTW ... I am not pushing the barrow for the stewards , jockeys or trainers , I am neither ...keep backing winners Rio

Fastmoney · February 2013

Godockers

Most people (even forum members) think the majority of races in WA don`t have a problem.

However there are some races that blind freddie could see something isn`t right.

You make out we are all conspiracy theorists and suggest its a case of pro punters doing the form better than anyone on here.

Those are 2 of the most uneducated comments on this forum.

If everyone took your suggestion and didn`t punt on WA racing every participant would be worse off.

I don`t know if you`re unaware or just plain stupid but if no-one punts there is no stakemoney.

The majority of people can see that integrity is linked to the financial status of the racing industry.

You obviously don`t see that link.

godockers · February 2013

Wow thanks for the groundbreaking news that punters provide stakemoney , its a classic case that if people win others whinge ! If the so called" Sydney mob " never backed a winner none of this drama would take place but you are all so paranoid about it everytime they back a winner the FBI and Scotland yard are called in , maybe you are right fastmoney , maybe they just get the racing caledar out and call all the jockeys in a race and get it all sorted ... maybe Alice is not gonna go to the mad hatters tea party this year either ....I liked the one where Geiger Rio lead in an 1100m race at Ascot and you all jumped out of trees ... for the life of me I dont know what else you thought was gonna lead ... anyway ... maybe If we call Alice she might know ... the good part is the on course bookmakers have put the limits down to 1500 so I am sure they wont even bother betting on track then you wont know what they are on and will have nothing to cry about ... Maybe the March Hare should get a license , he will bet bigger than that ! ... BTW , I have got nothing to do with the Sydney crew but I am just silly enough to believe that man did walk on the moon , JFK wasnt killed by the CIA and WA racing is honest !

Fastmoney · February 2013

Back up godockers

You make a stupid (thats right stupid) comment, that if people don`t like it don`t bet on it, as a solution to the issue.

This is a forum and if you see something that warrants discussion thats what you do.

I would suggest that if you don`t like what is discussed, you might be better of logging on elsewhere (just like your suggestion to punters).

SuperSnoop · February 2013

godockers said:
Wow thanks for the groundbreaking news that punters provide stakemoney , its a classic case that if people win others whinge ! If the so called" Sydney mob " never backed a winner none of this drama would take place but you are all so paranoid about it everytime they back a winner the FBI and Scotland yard are called in , maybe you are right fastmoney , maybe they just get the racing caledar out and call all the jockeys in a race and get it all sorted ... maybe Alice is not gonna go to the mad hatters tea party this year either ....I liked the one where Geiger Rio lead in an 1100m race at Ascot and you all jumped out of trees ... for the life of me I dont know what else you thought was gonna lead ... anyway ... maybe If we call Alice she might know ... the good part is the on course bookmakers have put the limits down to 1500 so I am sure they wont even bother betting on track then you wont know what they are on and will have nothing to cry about ... Maybe the March Hare should get a license , he will bet bigger than that ! ... BTW , I have got nothing to do with the Sydney crew but I am just silly enough to believe that man did walk on the moon , JFK wasnt killed by the CIA and WA racing is honest !

who said you were part of the sydney crew?
the bloke that agrees with everything you say is..........so maybe you are too?

Mountain · February 2013

"GoDockers"

Regarding that Geiger Rio race, these horses had previously led with success in that race.

Dual City
Hurritdanz
Not So Sweet
Silver Business
Roman Knows
Outlaw Blues
Thunderluv'n

Du Printemps also sat 8th that day, the furthest back it had raced since 2011, and that's from 10 runs.

Conversely, Geiger Rio had never previously led, 1 of 3 in that field of 11.

If you're not going to do your form and show your total ignorance of horse racing, I suggest you shut up.

godockers · February 2013

2 starts befoe Mountain same track distance and jockey ( 1100 forrest , ascot ) it sat 3w outside Peggies dream and School Rumble , You think they were faster than the above mentioned mountain ? so you keep doing your form for tomorrow mountain cause you obviously have an intellectual one to climb !

Mountain · February 2013

You said, and I quote "for the life of me I dont know what else you thought was gonna lead"

And I gave you an answer.

No need for the personal insult mate.

jonesee · February 2013

GO DOCKERS SAID -
for the life of me I dont know what else you thought was gonna lead ...

MOUNTAIN SAID -
Regarding that Geiger Rio race, these horses had previously led with success in that race.

Dual City
Hurritdanz
Not So Sweet
Silver Business
Roman Knows
Outlaw Blues
Thunderluv'n

Du Printemps also sat 8th that day, the furthest back it had raced since 2011, and that's from 10 runs.

Conversely, Geiger Rio had never previously led, 1 of 3 in that field of 11.

GO DOCKERS SAID --
.....

carey · February 2013

geiger rio race was way over the top.

it was the decider for me, in that i won't support places where integrity asks no questions and demonstrate that they are way out of their depth.

two horses were given absolutely none in that race, and one could even be forgiven for thinking they were riding shotgun for the winner.

the joint may be on the up and up now, i don't know, because i don't follow the joint these days.
that's the options punters have these days, they can talk with their feet.

the stewards talk the talk, but they never ever walk the walk.
too many times they stay silent when questions are begging to be asked.
so i actually blame integrity for all that is wrong with wa racing.

godockers · February 2013

It wasnt mate , i just thought in retrospect i am sure you would agree , School Rumble and Peggies Dream were faster than those other horses ...as a Hoof Note ...although Geiger Rio sat 3w outside those 2 horses it still only got beaten a long neck , maybe thats why it was well backed on the day in mention ...

RIO · February 2013

godockers said:
Actually raconteur , I do believe that 99.9 % of races and racing people in Western australia are honest and above board , II am more concerned at the constant uneducated comments on this forum from a would be lynch mob ! However ,when the authorities that be hold an investigation the same people throw immediate scorn and ridicule at it , So, simple solution, take your gambling dollar elsewhere ! You are entitled to your opinion Rio , but a little bit of temperance and respect to the people involved in the industry( Punters, jockeys, trainers , owners etc) is also probably called for ..... BTW ... I am not pushing the barrow for the stewards , jockeys or trainers , I am neither ...keep backing winners Rio

I'm trying mate, I'm trying...but it's always the 1 percenters that make you come unstuck!!!!! There's a bit more shit than you suggest in our industry..it has been unregulated - nah that's probably not quite right.. loosely regulated for a long time. And that no longer fits in with any betting arena.

I'm hoping my horse buying ventures aren't as bad as my punting ventures..although based on past performances they both have a lot of room for improvement!!! ;)

Oh and i do hear you about a bit of respect for all those people in our industry..the good ones get it in massive amounts from me..don't have to earn it..they have my respect..but as they come unstuck they cop just as much or more derision.

Shane Edwards, Mark Reed, untold amount of Jockeys being stood down for drugs...Don't need them to be making my job harder as an owner... It is more significant than 0.01%

carey · February 2013

godockers said:
It wasnt mate , i just thought in retrospect i am sure you would agree , School Rumble and Peggies Dream were faster than those other horses ...as a Hoof Note ...although Geiger Rio sat 3w outside those 2 horses it still only got beaten a long neck , maybe thats why it was well backed on the day in mention ...

it has absolutely nothing to do with geiger rio, other than it WAS the logical winner beforehand, but that is neither here nor there.
it probably would have won without the help, who knows?
but help it DID get.

raconteur · February 2013

godockers - even if Geiger Rio was entitled to lead - is it not the fact that it was able / allowed or simply did lead, but that fact that it did so easily and unchallenged, that makes it a concern?

So this must fall into the 0.1% of races which you, yourself determine to be not "...honest and above board."
Because that is what most of us are saying - We like WA racing, we are involved, but sometimes there is something which needs explaining and falls into - Yes, your 0.1%
- and given that percentage, there must be a couple more, somewhere !

godockers quote reminder " I do believe that 99.9 % of races and racing people in Western australia are honest and above board ,"

jonesee · February 2013

raconteur i have often argued with your posts in the past but that one i agree with 100 percent...

Mountain · February 2013

Saying that 99.9% of people within the WA racing industry are honest and above board, is almost too comical to take seriously.

Actually, I won't, because I know 'godockers' doesn't actually believe it himself.

Why am I still here?

Ted · February 2013

carey said:

godockers said:
It wasnt mate , i just thought in retrospect i am sure you would agree , School Rumble and Peggies Dream were faster than those other horses ...as a Hoof Note ...although Geiger Rio sat 3w outside those 2 horses it still only got beaten a long neck , maybe thats why it was well backed on the day in mention ...
it has absolutely nothing to do with geiger rio, other than it WAS the logical winner beforehand, but that is neither here nor there.
it probably would have won without the help, who knows?
but help it DID get.

Who knows? Roman Knows, went on to win 3 in a row after that race!!

SPUDLEY · February 2013

This comment is food for thought is there any team riding out there !!!

thefalcon · February 2013

make your own assumptions, spud.

dungy · February 2013

SPUDLEY said:
This comment is food for thought is there any team riding out there !!!

As our old mate Piston says ,the jocks over here couldnt organise a boat race to save them ,they simply are not that good a jocks or smart enough

G'day Punter!

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