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Carbalene is an oral mild diuretic & body acid neutralising solution for horses. Carbalene is for use as a buffering aid in acidosis, dehydration and tying up.
Active Constituents:
Each litre contains:
TriSodium Citrate Dihydrate 275g
Citric Acid Anhydrous: 34.375g
The buffering capacity of Carbalene helps to return the pH of blood and body fluids to normal levels.
Indications for Use:
Sweating, causing a loss of sodium ions and lowered pH (acidosis)
Dehydration where there is a loss of sodium ions as well as water
Reduced urine flow where a mild diuretic is desired
Tying Up when associated with excessive blood lactic acid levels.
Directions for Use:
Daily dose rates: As a daily routine, mix 60mL thoroughly into the feed or syringe directly into the horses mouth. After travelling, trialling or competition an additional 60mL is recommended.
Important: An adequate supply of clean drinking water must be available during treatment.
People need to get it through their thick skulls bicarb masking is a myth, bicarb doesn't mask anything, bicarb is used because it a natural extremely effective method of delaying the onset of lactic acid build up, period.
Encourages drinking and re- hydration. Hence fresh drinking water needs to be available.
I think that it is reckless to have a loaded syringe filled with anything, near a horse that is due to race that day especially considering that he has no other horses nearby to look after that might be the proposed recipient of the medicine.
It is a basic study in risk management the likes of which gun trainers like AD need to be aware and respectful of IMO.
As to why the stewards 'jumped the gun' in seizing the medication perhaps it could be explained by virtue of the fact that they wanted to keep the 'medication' intact for testing to see what was possibly to be administered. In their minds they might believe that their testing regime lags behind some of the 'medications' being used so best to seize the opportunity.
As it turns out after testing, and given it was not administered, it seems AD's offence was at the minor end of the scale therefore the $10,000 fine. I agree that it is difficult to marry up AD's penalty and that of Peter Moody's who i am led to believe has priors?
Either way best that post race medications be prepared post race i would have thought?
If someone could explain how I have got this wrong it would be appreciated.
I am a novice in these matters and would like to understand the rules better.
What happens when you know its going to be a scorcher at Ascot or flemington on raceday, now you can't even give a horse a simple saline drench the day beforehand.
The big protected stables are still going to do whatever they're doing, its going to be even less of a level playing field and horses won't run as consistently and the form won't hold up.
Seriously do these guys even think of the consequences both short and long term when they implement these new rules, racing's administrators are about as effective as the AFL's drug policy, world best policy wasn't it or so Demetriou boasted on numerous occasions.
AD prepared treatments for post race administration as he wanted to stay at the races with clients and enjoy the day.
One was bute, one was clenbuterol, the other Carbalene to encourage re-hydration and recovery.
They were to be left for his worker to administer post race. He was chatting and walking around with one still in his hand when the CAT team came in.
No administration, no positives, just an assumption that something may be about to happen.
A bit like the police saying, that guys been drinking, he has keys in his pocket, he must be thinking of driving.
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thanks for clearing that up AD and Wilson..not being a person who administers anything to horses i was not aware. The stewards and no-one else indicated anything more than a syringe..
perhaps the more learned amongst us would like to clarify if there was any relevance to the towel, as that is what i was hypothesizing about when i made the erroneous statement???
Oh and Andrew...you can generally administer any of that if you seek permission....that is the rules..if you want to administer within the 24hr period you seek permission first..Not too hard..
But even with the niggle between us all, we all agree that the differences in penalties is very unjust and AD who is guilty of administering nothing pays a fine 20x greater than a trainer who is guilty of administering something...
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I also stated that it was a syringe not a needle so we agree there.
I think he could appeal the penalty if the video clearly shows the stewards were mistaken in their belief that AD 'conduct COULD have led to a contravention of the rules'.
My understanding would be that the syringe was the smoking gun and on the balance the stewards didn't buy the defence that he was preparing it for use post race given what the video showed?
Perhaps if Adam appeals we will all see the footage if it proceeds to court. Then we can make up our own minds as to what his intent was?
If I was a steward I'd love to know what his workers evidence was and if he/she had been entrusted with these post race responsibilities previously. If AD was chatting there must of been others there that they interviewed ? Unless on his phone I guess.
Im getting all Perry Como now!
Racing Victoria stewards have fined top Perth trainer Adam Durrant $10,000 for treating Mr Moet on a raceday at an inquiry on Tuesday afternoon.
Incorrect or what ? He has NOT been found guilty of treating the horse at all.
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your quote "I think that it is reckless to have a loaded syringe filled with anything, near a horse that is due to race especially considering that he has no other horses nearby to look after that might be the proposed recipient of the medicine." - IT IS only reckless as far as the Rules go - pre racing administrations are commonplace everywhere racing is conducted and come only with the risk built into any rule breach .
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"It is a basic study in risk management the likes of which gun trainers like AD need to be aware and respectful of IMO" -
WELL I respect your opinion - but you might need a bit of help with the understanding that - any "risk managment" would be structured around circumvention and deception - not around trying to prevent a pre race administration mix up.
It sort of doesn't work like that in a stable - if you get what I mean - IMO. FSWBA
I don't follow.
Can you spell out in simple terms me for me where the stewards and I have got this one wrong or are you saying everyone does it?
I will stand happily corrected.
I acknowledge that the penalty is hard to reconcile in this situation but the contravention seems pretty clear.
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From what I hear one put there hand up and said guilty, the other gave more lip than mick jagger.
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Rac I am not sure what stable experience you have had, but certainly can verify that all the stables that I have worked for certainly do not administer anything race day. Hence have nothing to worry about...
Hmmm Moody does/did
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