$35 enrty tues/no free entry opening day.

RIO · November 2013

A city club doesn't have to cater for that market and nor should they..that is up to the country clubs to cater for country people..You dont get penalliesd for living in the country, but you dont get rewarded for it either.

Oh and i am country born and bred, so not a view of a city slicker..Quite a few of the people we go to the races with come down/in or up from the country.

LuckyLongshots · November 2013

Whilst I think $35 for supplying a venue to drink at, is a little bit steep, the reality is that at Flemington the prices for admission are double that.

These are the prices to attend Flemington on Tuesday.

Admit: General Admission	$74.00
Admit: Pensioner	$40.00
Admit: Student	$60.00

@Theodor, can you make sure the air con is turned all the way up on Tuesday in the members area, it is often cooler outside, than in the 'exclusive' members area, which sometimes feels like a sauna!

thefalcon · November 2013

ffs don't give them ideas, lls... :-)) :-))

JayJay · November 2013

Off topic but "you don't get penalised for living in the country" ???? Don't get me started. That is a pretty debatable statement. I'll just leave it at that.

youknowit · November 2013

flemington can charge those prices as they provide first class facilities. if it rains or is hot at ascot there is only covered or airconed areas outside of the members for about 3000 people.and overall the facilities are ordinary.

RIO · November 2013

JayJay said:
Off topic but "you don't get penalised for living in the country" ???? Don't get me started. That is a pretty debatable statement. I'll just leave it at that.

hahahaha..the statement was written to inflame..I'm a bushy and do realise the massive cost to come to these types of events..but the trade off of living away from the city for the other 50 weeks of the year far outways the expense of a few days accommodation and $35 to get into the races..

IntoIt · November 2013

Just wondering but do any of you lot give Theodor any credit? Your negativity can be just that....He breeds horse which can be a thankless task here in wa, he's on the commitee and endeavours to keep PTT members informed and just seems to have it shoved back at him. Tries to be positive, baby steps guys...

RIO · November 2013

yeah i do..i also give Harvey Crossman(want publicise his user name) credits as well, as i know that he is similar, also on here and always up for a chat...he is also The Chairman of WAROA and that organisation does a great job.

But it will never stop me from pushing them as hard as possible. I occassionally agree with them, and when time and opportunity allows chat with them. They are both good blokes who have got their hearts in the right place..I wouldn't for one minute suggest that they are feeling really happy about the state of our industry either...otherwise why put yourself on a board???

bookielover · November 2013

Here's what I don't understand.

There are a hard core section of punters and members who go every week. The people at Perth racing would have or should have, no trouble finding out who 300-500 people are.

So, why not give them a ticket with free entry on Cup day. The members already get that, I would assume, but there would be blokes and a few ladies that attend every meeting. So why not look after them in appreciation of their loyalty.

THEN charge the once a year bogans $50 to get in.

I was at Ascot on Melbourne cup day 2008, and swore that if I was ever in Perth again on cup day, I wouldn't set foot in the place. The young bogans men and women drinking themselves into oblivion, throwing up on people and getting into fights, and knocking over older people and thinking that it's funny to do so.

I accept that that is who you are going to get there, but why not whack them with a decent charge. If they are going to make a complete nuisance of themselves at least let the club get something out of it. The fact is, that they rarely have a bet, and if they do they stand at a Tote window which says only $50 and above at this window, and have a dollar each way and put through 5 tickets. The operator tells them that they shouldn't bet at that window, but they don't give a stuff and laugh it off. In the meantime, the punter wanting to put $500 on can't get on because all the other windows have idiots having a dollar eachway are lined up at those windows, so he can't go anywhere to have his bet.

This costs the club a fortune in revenue. Yes, of course, the punter can bet with the bookie, but if the bookies are $21 and the tote is showing $39 he doesn't want to take unders. It's the same when you are actually trying to get set with a bookie. Sheilas with their melons hanging out and their thongs showing, stand in front of the bookie asking such deep and meaningful questions such as "what does each way mean", or do I win anything if my horse runs fourth", etc. etc.

The day is a shocker for the regular punter who keeps the place going 51 weeks of the year, and there needs to be some compensation for that punter.

Give them free entry.

Tivers · November 2013

$35 to get in..................whoopdee

Did you catch the $305 asking for a tent ticket ???

LuckyLongshots · November 2013

Into It said:
Just wondering but do any of you lot give Theodor any credit? Your negativity can be just that....He breeds horse which can be a thankless task here in wa, he's on the commitee and endeavours to keep PTT members informed and just seems to have it shoved back at him. Tries to be positive, baby steps guys...

@Theodor deserves credit for coming on here and listening and giving us some insight to what goes on in the committee room.

Unfortunately the committee doesn't hear the general public's opinions or concerns (enough), so this is a good forum to let them know what is really going on down on the ground floor!

If I had to pay the $35 entry fee, I would certainly think twice about attending. Because like it or not, attending the races and paying a $35 entry fee, is akin to paying $35 to enter a nightclub on a standard night - which not many people would pay to do!

Gilgamesh · November 2013

Im not a PR member. I have football commitments 20 saturdays a year, thats when i'm home as I regularly work away and am first and foremost a harness man, Im a member there and attend whenever I can (we have bigger troubles there), there's only so much racing the Mrs can take.

$35 would be ok for an event, (thats why i can handle paying it railway stakes day) the event however on tuesday is 3000kms away. As someone mentioned here I think a lot of the people wont realise the cost until they're at the gate, again hurting goodwill. Its not so much about the figure more about what you want racing to be and the need to offer something to draw people back. If you are going to start calling it an entertainment event it has a hell of a lot to compete with, just think ocasionaly it needs to be more of a community event.

As for the lost revenue arguement I find that a bit strange. Im a fan of analogies so if I was running a petrol station and my revenues from gas and kerosene fell away over ten years would it make sense to just continuely bumb up my petrol prices or would that just alienate my existing customer base and drive them off to the many other competing stations leaving me with weeds growing where the pump once was while the other stations now sell everytging from bread and milk to pots and pans!

Seeing as we've got on to the finance side a bit I ask this as a question not a stir, it's before my time but didn't perth racing once have a war chest of assets in the form of verious land holdings and sell them off?
Hopefully they can make more of a success of it this time around.

I dont want to be all negative or anything, im sure people at the club think they are doing whats best, I just want racing to be around for my kids and there kids to enjoy!

Theodor · November 2013

From Gilamesh: "Seeing as we've got on to the finance side a bit I ask this as a question not a stir, it's before my time but didn't perth racing once have a war chest of assets in the form of verious land holdings and sell them off?
Hopefully they can make more of a success of it this time around.

I dont want to be all negative or anything, im sure people at the club think they are doing whats best, I just want racing to be around for my kids and there kids to enjoy! "

Response from Eddie: Gilgamesh, you have really hit on it! Instead of causing a stir you have raised a very serious matter and perhaps exposed historical behaviours that were not in the best interests of the WATC. And to make this clear, I am talking about actions in the 1980s and early 1990s. Yes, the WATC did have a war chest of assets, and to be honest still does, but to a lesser degree. Yes the Committee of the WATC did dispose of some of the assets in the 1980s and early 1990s that funded day to day activities and prize money. Yes everyone thought they were the halcyon days. BUT i can tell you it was NOT in interests of "you, your kids and their kids to enjoy". It was short term egotisical actions. Having the highest prize money in the Country was just bs. It was being funded by the sale of land assets. The current Committee will not do this. In fact we are amending the WATC's Constitution to ensure that it cannot happen. The current Committee will ensure that proceeds from capital assets are used for capital purposes (i.e. long term benefits of WATC members). I would really like to expand on this but best done over a beer or 3.

Pandora · November 2013

10 years a go PR weren't getting spoon fed by RWWA to the tune of millions of dollars. PR are a leech on the industry.

Theodor · November 2013

Pandora, seriously you have NFI. Don't embarrass yourself. Rio, Damo, Falcon and others on this forum who have an idea, please inform Pandora how to count to 3. He is a fair dinkum idiot. I'm happy to chat to you guys at the track or call me, but fair suck of the sausage, Pandora you are an idiot.

Pandora · November 2013

Million plus to ''assist' in funding training cost

100% stakes paid by RWWA

Huge fees to run EVERY meeting conducted by PR

I have no idea, just keep holding your breath for the thousands to flock to the Belmont Park gym.

And Pinjarra not there to help Belmont. Please.

thefalcon · November 2013

the past is the past...gee, i can remember when the perth cup..i think 100k was more than the melbourne cup. fait accompli i think.

what gets me is that the present committee seems to to just enconse themselves "upstairs". you rarely if ever see any...except for peter gangemi wander among the "riff raff". i can honestly say i have NEVER seen ted wandering around.

you guys should be "walk and be seen"

Theodor · November 2013

I won't worry myself to correct this diatribe. For readers of this forum all the statements above are simply wrong. Pandora has NFI and just does not understand the roles of RWWA and PR. It would be helpful that people who contribute to this site have some knowledge. Misinformation is a dangerous thing. It is scary that RWWA has been in place for a decade and still people don't know what it does. I say again, Pandora please don't embarrass yourself with ignorance.

thefalcon · November 2013

i am sure ted has a secret tunnel that takes him, on a rare occasion to the mounting yard. its 2013, not 1883.

i had cause to drop into the committee room a month or so ago to see someone. there was only a small group huddled around a table, i don't think they were even talking to each other and looked bored shitless.. mr and mrs piper sitting alone at another table. thats all that were in the large room.

quite a sad sight actually.

Pandora · November 2013

Prove me wrong and I wont mention it again.

What does RWWA contribute to the training costs of PR

What % of stake money does RWWA pay

Does RWWA give PR a fee to run every meeting they conduct. Isnt it called a meeting or venue fee.

Think you need to look up the meaning of Diatribe.

Chelsea · November 2013

I think you could look at a loyalty system, for the patrons who attend the races regularly,to help them with admission for the 4 main race days.

Print a voucher in the racebook for the last six meetings at Belmont,with each of them numbered by meeting,and produce 4 of them for free admission on the opening day of Ascot.something similar could also be adopted for Melbourne Cup Day, Super Saturday and Perth Cup Day.Or you could have admission vouchers used in a similar concept.

Have a 4 Ticket special for opening day,Melb cup day,super Saturday,and Perth cup day for say $75.

On the major race days have a booth,dolly birds or something similar to give away free tickets to normal Saturday race days then that would help encourage repeat business,which should be the prime target of the major race days .

TheDiva · November 2013

They did something similar Chelsea on one of the last Belmont meetings, handing out free passes to opening day at ascot. Thought that was a really good move.

DamienWyer · November 2013

Pandora said:
Prove me wrong and I wont mention it again.
What does RWWA contribute to the training costs of PR
What % of stake money does RWWA pay
Does RWWA give PR a fee to run every meeting they conduct. Isnt it called a meeting or venue fee.
Think you need to look up the meaning of Diatribe.

These are reasonable questions, so I will attempt to provide an answer and if I am wrong I'm sure Theodore will jump in and correct me.

RWWA contribute 100% of stakesmoney, with Perth Racing adding an additional 2.4%. This was as high as 9.6% just five seasons ago, but sharply declined from 2010 to the present levels. 2.4% equates to $787,000 or diviided by the total number of races conducted, $1,067.85 per race.

RWWA stated via Richard Burt at the Industry meeting, that $1.45M was given to Perth Racing for providing training facilities. Perth Racing are not held to account for what the money is spent on at this time, and in their most recent financial report, whilst they indicate the cost of maintenance, that is an overall cost and not just for the training facility.

I am unaware of a race or venue meeting fee, and it is certainly not mentioned in the financial reports as a separate item.

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From the above, and at the mentioned Industry meeting, I made it very clear that to my mind, RWWA handing over $1.45M for training facilities and then not asking for a spreadsheet of how and where that money was spent, is unacceptable to the WA public. The response I got back from Richard Burt was inadequate, and at the first opportunity I will ask my question again at a higher level of scrutiny.

Pandora · November 2013

Just the briefest of looks at the financials shows PR got over $38million from RWWA and paid out about $33million in stakes! $5 million approx. in extra funding not a bad leg up.

PR get every Saturday bar one, the best betting day of the week and then apparently get subsidised when a country club has the cheek to run one.

You don't need to sit at the horseshoe shaped table to know a little about the industry.

bookielover · November 2013

GILGAMESH: The once or twice a year bogans, about 19500 of them, do not provide real revenue to Perth racing. It is the regular punters having 100's and thousands on through the on course bookies and particularly the on course totes from which PR receive a much larger commission than they do off the off course tote, that really suffer on days like this. Many big punters won't go on these days, because they get hit from pillar to post, they can't get to a tote window, and they find it difficult to get to a bookie. So they stay home and bet through the Corps, or Betfair, or the off course tote. In order to get your regulars who keep the on course business going, the least PR should do is give them free tickets to these meetings.

The club would lose nothing by charging the rest $50.00. They will still come and pay the extra $15.00, but if some don't, all that will do is make it a far more comfortable atmosphere and experience for those who do go.

thefalcon · November 2013

bl, those big punters who elect not to go on the "boozy days" would no doubt have credit, "on the nod" facilities with on course bookies accessable by phone. plus would have an account with the tab so i don't think would be much lost revenue to pr.

Legless · November 2013

19500 x $35 = $682500

19500 say average $20 punt each over the day = $390000

19500 say average 5 drinks each @ $10 = $975000

19500 say average $10 each food = $195000

Conservatively = $ 2 670 000 gross for the day

:-? doesn't make the decision too hard at all in my books

Theodor · November 2013

Unfortunately there is a big loss to PR. You bet on course with the tab (whether via tote, phone or internet) we get 17 %. You bet off course we get 6%. This is because there no state tax applied on course. So by betting off course the whole industry loses.

Legless · November 2013

Theodor said:
Unfortunately there is a big loss to PR. You bet on course with the tab (whether via tote, phone or internet) we get 17 %. You bet off course we get 6%. This is because there no state tax applied on course. So by betting off course the whole industry loses.

Are you saying that compared to a "normal" Saturday meeting , PR runs at a loss with regards to take from oncourse punting on these big days ?

Theodor · November 2013

Don't understand. Don't know how you could derive that from my last post. Just to make it clearer, the industry gets more and the government gets less if you bet on course with the tab (in whatever medium). The extra money predominantly goes into stakes money.

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