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The jury is out

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DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,991 posts
edited November 2013 West Australian Racing
In the next 24 hours you would think, a verdict on this long running case should be known.

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,495 posts

    i think we know the jurors verdict.

    if it is what we think there will just be appeal after appeal until the whole sorry mess will just disappear.

    its happened before and will happen again.

    disclosure: i do not know the defendents from adam and only base my views on what i have read.

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,495 posts
    are they still out?
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,991 posts
    Yes, second day of deliberations. The attached story suggests a sentence of up to ten years is in the offing for a guilty verdict. So there is a lot riding on this outcome for both parties.


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  • bookieloverbookielover    2,709 posts
    Looking at that photo of Peter Bartlett, I haven't seen him in 5 years, and in 2012 when I was last in Perth, he was on holidays and not working, but the bloke looks to have aged 15 years in the last 5. I suppose the pressure of the possibility that you can do serious time if things go against you, will do that to a bloke.
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,495 posts

    12 good men and true will give the thumbs down but appeal after appeal will see the matter disappear.

    a single mum on the bones of her bum diddles centrelike for a few grand and cops 2 years...go figure.

    >:P
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  • TheodorTheodor    199 posts
    Be careful gentlemen. You don't know the facts and from your comments, the people involved. They are good and generous people. This matter should never have gone to Court. For the record, they don't owe one cent in tax and the ATO acknowledges this.

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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    and you may be a bit too close to the trees to see the forest Theo!!!!

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  • wedgewedge    269 posts
    the non qualified international accounting genius/ ned kelly lookalike is my fav
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  • paraleticparaletic    3,750 posts
    cant believe some on here actually want to have pot shots, this thread shouldnt even be on here in my opinion. Have some respect gentlemen, this is not racing related in the slightest.

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,495 posts

    theodore, we are only commenting on what we have read.

    not racing related? come on, perths biggest bookie and 2 of the biggest owners in the state.

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,991 posts
    I don't think taking pot shots is wise. However this is a mainstream news item and subject to the verdict it will be a lead item for finance journalists. I hope Ron comes out of this well but I'm not going to make out like it's not happening.
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    paraletic said:

    cant believe some on here actually want to have pot shots, this thread shouldnt even be on here in my opinion. Have some respect gentlemen, this is not racing related in the slightest.

    Theodor said:

    Be careful gentlemen. You don't know the facts and from your comments, the people involved. They are good and generous people. This matter should never have gone to Court. For the record, they don't owe one cent in tax and the ATO acknowledges this.



    Thanks for the warning Theo. And i cant read anywhere on here where anyone is having a pot shot at them.

    These people are very prominent in our industry, and anything that they do in business - which one assumes has financially helped them gain this postion within in this industry - is of interst to the industry. 

    If they we're a RWWA clerk and a ownr of 5% of a PInjarra maiden then it woudln't be of interest.. But they are prominent and do a lot to support and help promote and fund the industry.

    There fore it has a connnection and an interest for all in this industry.

    If it was a family member of mine, or a close friend i would also not want it to be discussed on here..But i'd also see that it of interest and just not read the thread.

    Each to their own..but the decision will be interesting to hear when it's handed down...as will the many appeals thereafter if it doesn't come down in their favour.

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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts

    and on it goes...the Ned Kelly look like convicted and his offsider not!?!?!?

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/19743970/jury-convicts-tax-scheme-promoter/

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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    edited November 2013
    Quote: 
    Neale Prior, The West Australian


    November 8, 2013, 12:41 pm



    "Prosecutors claim the resolutions and subsequent actions were
    designed to protect a $50 million tax avoidance scheme that ran in
    1999-2000 and 2000-01.The scheme saw the tax bill slashed on profits the family trusts were receiving from Barminco."


    :-O  $50 Million tax avoidance.

    :-? How much do you need to earn to try and avoid paying $50 mill in Tax

    :-? How much do you REALLY need #-o
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  • ICEICE    683 posts
    Should be talking about this on he guys :-?
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  • loose_gooseloose_goose    2,135 posts
    Theodor said:

    Be careful gentlemen. You don't know the facts and from your comments, the people involved. They are good and generous people. This matter should never have gone to Court. For the record, they don't owe one cent in tax and the ATO acknowledges this.

    Regardless of that, they would not be in court unless the authorities thought they had a case to answer.

    Robin Hood was a good bloke too.
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  • loose_gooseloose_goose    2,135 posts
    ICE said:

    Should be talking about this on he guys :-?

    No different to the racing boys wielding pool cues in a pub. Racing people doing things off the track, entitled to be discussed in a general manner, which from what i can see from posts above it has been.
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,495 posts

    have just returned from kevi willisons funeral/wake.

    some VERY, VERY prominent racing identies there...interesting privvy discussions on this...

    the judge has said he wants a verdict by monday so watch this space.

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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    totally totally different source...but heard very similar Falcon.... And this is definitely the place to be talking about it......how many horses have been too expensive for some of us to buy not for these people???

    Monday will be very interesting......wonder if it may have an impact on the Karrakatta this year??
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,495 posts
    your first paragraph is spot on....
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,991 posts
    I'm told by a court watcher, that the jury asked for testimony transcripts to be re-read to them. 


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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts

    here is what they are now looking into..must be a real headache for the jury to get there heads around. You wonder how much one person already admitting to it being a fraud influences their decisions..

     

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/-/wa/19786969/evidence-re-read-for-sayers-jury/

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,991 posts
    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/-/national/19793913/jury-fails-to-reach-verdict-in-sayers-trial/

    Looks like this could be a hung jury
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    seems to be going on longer than a mailman farewell..good luck to the jury.Ordinary people being put under a lot fo extraordinary pressure

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  • ChrisChris    5,734 posts
    :))

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,991 posts
    Damien Wyer said:

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/-/national/19793913/jury-fails-to-reach-verdict-in-sayers-trial/


    Looks like this could be a hung jury
    I spoke with the boss when she got home, and she is of the opinion that whilst judges try to get jury's to go back in and hammer out a verdict, it seldom works. 


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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,495 posts
    it will be a verdict tomorrow, damien....then watch the appeals, the lawyers will be ordering new top of the range cars... :-q

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,991 posts
    I don't know about that. The ATO have spent an awful lot of taxpayers money on this case, and I think they will drop it when the jury returns still hung. They did get a conviction so they will see it as a victory of sorts.

    In a lot of ways I would like to see Ron Sayers be exonerated, a conviction does nothing good for Racing. 

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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts

    see you all in 3 months...

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/-/business/19809704/jury-deadlocked-in-sayers-bartlett-trial/

     

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,991 posts
    RIO said:

    see you all in 3 months...

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/-/business/19809704/jury-deadlocked-in-sayers-bartlett-trial/

     

    It would seem that my partner in life knows a thing or two about how these things operate. I guess that is why she is so good at what she does.
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