2013 Railway Handicap

RIO · November 2013

just confirmed on Off the Rails that Late nom fee is included in the deal...Marty Young certainly knows how to get the quality over here!!!!

Fastmoney · November 2013

Not sure anyone should get any sort of subsidy, unless the return to the WA industry can be proven to be more than what is paid to attract Eastern states runners.

Victorians, betting on Victorian horses through their tote, does nothing for WA.

Plenty of data around to make an informed decision instead of making a decision on what 1 or 2 individuals think is the right thing to do.

Surely the money used to subsidize eastern states runners would be better spent (and produce a better field) if it was used to increase the stakemoney.

DamienWyer · November 2013

ICE said:

Damien Wyer said:
Massive scratching's in The Railway, a real disappointment that those 20 odd horses were not flying over here.

BUFFERING,SPIRIT OF BOOM,PINWHEEL,,MOMENT OF CHANGE,REBEL DANE,READY TO RIP,,FONTELINA,,CONSERVATORIUM,,GALAH,,RAREFIED,,PAGO ROCK,,ALBRECHT,,

SMOKIN' JOEY,,FIRE UP FIFI,,MUTUAL TRUST(GB),,,LONGPORT,, Plucky Belle,, Strike The Stars ..

Looking good one the best groups to come west in years - Buffering for me
B-)

They are all confirmed ? You have named 18 horses and none of them included Barakey, Ranger, or Grand Nirvana, all horses that would preclude some of those you nominated as they can't get that many in the starting gates.

I would be very surprised if there were more Interstate horses than locals for this race.

Theodor · November 2013

Best lot of horses heading to super Saturday ever. Marty has done a ripper job. The industry is talking about it Australia wide. Carbine Club luncheon will be biggest ever as a result of unsolicited interest, including interstaters asking to go. Looking good. Likely Winterbottom will be rated one of the best sprint races in Australia in 2013.

RIO · November 2013

hey Theo has the nom fee been waived for all acceptors???

Theodor · November 2013

Don't know Rio. I will find out. What I do know is that our carnival is gathering growing Australia wide support. Trainers and jockeys want to attend and participate. Just need to get people betting via TabTouch and I will be most happy.

ICE · November 2013

Yes Carbine club lunch will be a blast, might see you there Damien :)]

thefalcon · November 2013

maybe this will get you the chairmans gig, theodor.

at least that was what was discussed today...to everyones agreeance...

RIO · November 2013

we all get excited at this stage Theo, but that regularly drops off when the plane lands..if most of these arrive it will add to the carnival..just not fond of the local guys being financially worse off than the east coast raiders.. in relation to the nom fee...Understand transport and accommodation..

RIO · November 2013

the falcon said:
maybe this will get you the chairmans gig, theodor.

at least that was what was discussed today...to everyones agreeance...

where was that chat???

thefalcon · November 2013

rio, i would say most owners of these horses, which have won considerable prizemoney would be able to afford their own accomodation and transport costs.

thefalcon · November 2013

in camera, rio

Legless · November 2013

RIO said:
we all get excited at this stage Theo, but that regularly drops off when the plane lands..if most of these arrive it will add to the carnival..just not fond of the local guys being financially worse off than the east coast raiders.. in relation to the nom fee...Understand transport and accommodation..

seeing your point now =D>

theduke · November 2013

Give me an open cheque book and I reckon I could do as well as Marty, maybe even better.

Fastmoney · November 2013

All warm fuzzy stuff but will any of it push the minimum Saturday stake to $50K.

Got a feeling what ever happens, participants will see very little difference.

thefalcon · November 2013

in camera, rio

RIO · November 2013

the falcon said:
rio, i would say most owners of these horses, which have won considerable prizemoney would be able to afford their own accomodation and transport costs.

agree, but affordability isn't the issue...they are also smart enough to know that we need them over here just as much as they want a shot at G1 prestige and the prize-money...So we have to attract them.. I'd much rather we didn't have to pay anything, but post EI it has been hard to get them over here.. take the risk out of costs and it is then a good option if their horse is up to it

thefalcon · November 2013

yeah fastmoney, i can't understand why the prize money differs for each race on a saturday.

in the eastern staes you see, say $50k basic for every race except the main race which may be more.

got me bamboozled.

DamienWyer · November 2013

ICE said:
Yes Carbine club lunch will be a blast, might see you there Damien :)]

No interest to me

hash · November 2013

notapunta said:

Damien Wyer said:
Will the entertainment bring anyone over 25 to the track ? I know I am getting old, but this bloke I have never heard of.

He plays records and they class that as talent these days ? That is one step removed from the boy who sets up the extension cord to plug in the gramophone.
Beats the shit out of 'Dj" Havana Brown. I'm excited about the day's racing and watching Illy afterwards adds value to the $35

Gilgamesh said:
For the "older gentlemen" among us you may be surprised to at least here some older songs you know with a different beat and lyrics over the top. I think for $35 this time after my cup day rant he is a pretty good choice, it's not nasty hip hop! He's a bit of a happy go lucky guy. Go on google vids look up Illy Pictures, I think that is his best song. Definitely not for everyone but not offensive, one song has all most a million views so someone likes him! Unfortunately boys rock up to a backyard party with there decks instead of a guitar nowdays so there just aren't any rockbands anymore.

Illy's album is the feature album on triple J all this week meaning they'll be playing every song aswell as interviewing him about the album, talk about good timing

carey · November 2013

Fastmoney said:
Not sure anyone should get any sort of subsidy, unless the return to the WA industry can be proven to be more than what is paid to attract Eastern states runners.

absolutely correct.
it's the same as gambling, there is no point adding a factor that may increase your profitability, if the cost of employing that factor is more than it adds to your bottom line.

RIO · November 2013

Great analogy carey.......all casino's offer free accommodation and flights for serious gamblers..it is not conditional of them losing money. It is conditional that they come and play in their casino...

You highlight the exact reason why it is okay to cover the full costs of the higher quality attendees...

Fastmoney · November 2013

RIO said:
Great analogy carey.......all casino's offer free accommodation and flights for serious gamblers..it is not conditional of them losing money. It is conditional that they come and play in their casino...

You highlight the exact reason why it is okay to cover the full costs of the higher quality attendees...

Not sure about your casino scenario Rio.

Serious gamblers = regular losers.

Casinos operate like corporate bookmakers, if you lose regularly they roll out the red carpet for you, if you win regularly you won`t be getting free flights and accommodation, you might actually be shown the door.

Blindly spending industry money without being able to show a tangible positive return, does no one any good .

carey · November 2013

only if it increases their bottom line.
but could it also put locals in the industry offside?

i don't know much about eastern states racing these days, but i would be very surprised if wa are attracting anything more than bridesmaids or 2nd and 3rd stringers.
i guess i may be wrong as to the quality, but my interest factor in the race is zero, and even if gambling it would be just another race.

darkshines · November 2013

RIO said:
just confirmed on Off the Rails that Late nom fee is included in the deal...Marty Young certainly knows how to get the quality over here!!!!

*shakes head*

I don't know why we bother investing our passions in this industry, when these people invest in magic beans on our behalf.

RIO · November 2013

you can have your doubts but a significant amount of casino's would not survive without the top end of town..they have a winning ratio, that has been proven over a long period of time..so the more they can get you to spend on the tables on your visit the more money they will make. Give a plane ticket and a free room for 2 nights to get someone to turn over 100k on the tables(or a lot more in some instances) is a small price to pay.

You can never show a tangible return when you are planning to spend money. The NSW government can not show a tangible return for the $10mil they have just given the Australian Turf Club...but they can see an anticipated return. It is only tangible after the event, once it has been spent and calculated. Even then it is a subjective figure. Due to not knowing what the return woudl be if the money hadn't been spent promoting the event the way it was promoted.

So you will never accurately measure the benefit of the money put into attracting the east coast horses. It will never be tangible at the planning stage...and in any review it will still only be a subjective figure in relation to the financial benefit of spending the money initially...And the magic of figures is that you can summarize them in a way to support nearly any argument....So if someone reported on the benefit of the spend after the event, they can bend the figures to support in a positive way whatever they wanted to happen.

So management just make a decision, justify it, and then report afterwards what a great success it was...

Rodent · November 2013

So now if you have a good E/S horse, you'd be mad to nominate it for The Railway. If it's flying, get the suckers in WA to pay the late nom :))

I wonder if noms from the east will drop off in future knowing they can always get in late for zilch!

carey · November 2013

never heard of him, but he ain't coming.......strike the stars.

carey · November 2013

just looked him up.
if he was going to add status to the race, then i would be very worried.

DamienWyer · November 2013

There is a current of unrest in the wake of this decision. Perth Racing need to rethink where they want their involvement in Racing to be centered. RWWA need not sponsor this race to the tune of $1M as obviously it is not enough of an enticement alone to attract top quality. In fact it is only attracting second tier runners.

For a club that has in recent times copped criticism for poor facilities that local Trainers felt so badly about that they had to go to uncomfortable lengths to have addressed, this is a poor use of money for a one day event that already has twice as much funds in stakes as required to get a Group 1 field.

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