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FASTNET ROCK

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,485 posts
    don't I know it... #:-S
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,987 posts
    Almost all Stallions will enjoy some level of success, even those that I regard as having been better credentials as gelded racehorses. But just because you are a son of a outstanding stallion and racehorse, but you were not, screams to me to be cautious. When I viewed The Rock, I wasn't blown away. In fact I couldn't have cared less.
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  • SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
    Guy's I know it's a raffle a real big one at that but you cannot win if you do not have a ticket and my 2 tickets are bred very close to 2 very successful horses.

    Damien have you EVER put your nuts on the line and actually bred a good horse or are you just a pretender?
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,987 posts
    SPUDLEY said:

    Guy's I know it's a raffle a real big one at that but you cannot win if you do not have a ticket and my 2 tickets are bred very close to 2 very successful horses.

    Damien have you EVER put your nuts on the line and actually bred a good horse or are you just a pretender?

    I select them on breeding, confirmation, and race record of the family. I have bred a race winner out of a $500 mare and her third one starts this week I see on CRIS. It trialled well but who knows. I have no knowledge of it's potential other than a passing comment that it is the best one on the ground from a stallion yet to produce a result.

    Plenty of my clients place trust in me for breeding advice and broodmare selection when they are offered carrying. I had a stakes placed filly this past season out of a $200 purchase I put on my credit card one day because I liked it on paper and on inspection. Still a maiden though, but it has returned $114,000 so far.

    From a small group of purchases I had three individual stakes winners this past year. I think I may have a couple to debut in coming months as well.

    All are selected the same way, me "putting my nuts on the line".
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  • IntoItIntoIt    659 posts

    Spudley! Damien puts his nuts on the line all the time and like the rest of us he gets lucky jags. And like the rest of us he gets misses too but your not going to hear about those.

    Some things he says dont make sense, like bagging Congrats progeny on conformation and yet a $200 purchase he liked on inspection.

    Hows that $280000 purchase with Jim taylor going?

    And for what its worth FR is probably showing more promise as a sire of sires than a lot at this stage. Was The Rock perhaps too expensive? And who brought him here? I thought it was you Damien.

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,987 posts
    Into It said:

    Spudley! Damien puts his nuts on the line all the time and like the rest of us he gets lucky jags. And like the rest of us he gets misses too but your not going to hear about those.

    Some things he says dont make sense, like bagging Congrats progeny on conformation and yet a $200 purchase he liked on inspection.

    Hows that $280000 purchase with Jim taylor going?

    And for what its worth FR is probably showing more promise as a sire of sires than a lot at this stage. Was The Rock perhaps too expensive? And who brought him here? I thought it was you Damien.

    Paul Harvey picked out Famous Roman for Sam many years ago at a breeze up sale here in Perth. When he started swaying I convinced him to pay what was required. I subsequently sold him as a Stallion prospect after a very nice racing career.

    The $280,000 purchase with Jim Taylor ?? Do you mean Petrol Power ? He is back in work I understand after wind surgery and hopefully he makes a full return to racing, but I have no communication with the yard to either confirm or deny his progress.

    The $200 broodmare in foal to Vital Equine was probably luck, but you make your own. Hopefully the full brother that the owner bred will be a stakes winner for them.

    Just on Congrats, I only saw his stock in Adelaide, so it is a given that they  would not have been close to his best. But what struck me was that as a group they were all with boxy feet. I regard him as a dirt horse and his stock looked like that. I'm sure I will find one that I like, but we don't see that many here in Perth. There are quite a few in the Ready to Run Sale next week. So maybe I will find one.
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  • DaleDale    1,346 posts
    i bought him here, he was a tad over priced but i do disagree with damo, i have been swinging off stallions for nearly 20 years and have seen/handled the very best. therock was probably one of the nicest animals i have seen in my time. your jaw dropped when you saw him. don't know why damo couldn't care less unless he still doesnt know a machine from a 200 hack.

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  • IntoItIntoIt    659 posts
    Apologies, got the figure wrong. It was 190k testa Rossi/Tantra Dancer colt from 2013 MM Perth. I now know why he doesnt lke the horse....he didnt have anything to do with it. Isnt that part of this game...bag the opposition. Thought you were above that Damien, theres plenty to go around!
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,987 posts
    Into It said:

    Apologies, got the figure wrong. It was 190k testa Rossi/Tantra Dancer colt from 2013 MM Perth. I now know why he doesnt lke the horse....he didnt have anything to do with it. Isnt that part of this game...bag the opposition. Thought you were above that Damien, theres plenty to go around!

    The Rock is not opposition. I don't own or manage any stallion. In fact I send mares seldom to the same stallion on behalf of clients, as I advise on an individual basis. Just ask the several forum members on here that have asked for an opinion.

    In respect to the Testa Rossa. He is very big, and is taking plenty of time. I'm told he shouldn't have been purchased as he is so big. Like a lot of horses his size, he went shinsore quickly when put under pressure. So only time will tell. He ticked every box as far as I am concerned, so if he doesn't make it I will be genuinely surprised and disappointed.
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  • paraleticparaletic    3,750 posts
    I hope he is a gun! Sam is a lovely bloke, deserves every bit of success.

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  • SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
    After today there may be a few more gelded sons of FR
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  • SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
    Cluster another high profile son now retired to stud at Larneuk Stud in Victoria on a fee of $6,600, he may have been a good buy for a WA stud but maybe was out of their price range, it would be interesting to know what they paid for him.
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  • SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
    What a fantastic weekend for him a Epsom Oaks winner Qualify and his son Hinchinbrook getting his first G1 winner at Doomben with Press Statement , he is on his way to be the best ever stallion produced in this country.
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,485 posts
    a few of his are running around our provincial tracks.....some poor buggers have done a motza...as with the redoubt choices going around in the bush.
    its a funny old game, isn't it?

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  • GaryHGaryH    1,012 posts
    If it was easy......
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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    the falcon said:

    a few of his are running around our provincial tracks

    One in Race 8 at Northam today
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,485 posts
    wonder what it originally sold for?
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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    edited June 2015
    30k according to

    http://www.breednet.com.au/ViewMeetingsAll.asp?t_date=110615&venue=NTHM
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  • PimlicoPimlico    39 posts
    SPUDLEY said:

    What a fantastic weekend for him a Epsom Oaks winner Qualify and his son Hinchinbrook getting his first G1 winner at Doomben with Press Statement , he is on his way to be the best ever stallion produced in this country.


    still a fair way behind Redoute's Choice on stakes winner/foals and stakes winners/runners, the widely accepted measure of a stallions true success. Wanted has done him no favours as a sire of sires being his best son at stud. Foxwedge & Smart Missile are his big hopes in that department but with G1 sires like Stratum, Snitzel, Not A Single Doubt, Redoute's is still way ahead on that count too.
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,987 posts
    Can't see the huge appeal of a Fastnet Rock other than as a racehorse at this moment in time.
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  • ImportImport    80 posts
    Into It said:

    I read another son of Fastnet Rock, Rothesay, is producing very promiising 2 year olds.

    Good luck to anyone who went to Therock.

    I'm personally very keen to see how Rothesay performs as a stallion. Had a very high opinion of him as a racehorse.
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  • ImportImport    80 posts
    Hello Paris (by Rothesay from Paris Heartbeat) makes it debut at Northam tomorrow. As far as I'm aware it's the first of his progeny to race in WA.
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