Grand Final 2015

AndrewCarter · September 2015

Let see who's got no idea shall we dungy.

Andrew Carter said:
You want to be smart aarse Dungy, then lets compare your "astute" judgment compared to mine and people can then judge for themselves who's the one with little to no idea. Just a couple of your pearlers, Wellingham a dead set lemon, overall you blokes are in for a rough few years, now that's funny. Never mind that Cooney was all but finished when the dogs offloaded him but according to you he was a loss. Plenty more where they came from :)

Andrew Carter said:
Sheppard had a very poor game he's not that bad but I have to agree that he had a shocker yesterday but overall the Eagles performance was frighteningly poor apart from two bursts, the first in the opening 10 minutes of the first quarter and in the last few minutes of the 3rd quarter and the first ten minutes of the final quarter when they actually looked pretty good in both patches,

When are the journo's here going to start targeting the match committee's continual selection of the likes of the totally skill-less McGinnity, yesterday was a golden opportunity to give Tunbridge and or McInnes a full game against quality opposition in a match that didn't mean anything instead we play McGinnity, the habitual turnover merchant who hasn't improved one iota, McGinnity, tries very hard of that there is no doubt but has there ever been a less skillful player on an AFL list???

Turnovers are and have been the Eagles achilles heel for the last decade and McGinnity is the chief offender currently, he cannot play in the senior side under any circumstances if we are to progress.

A mature body is one thing, a mature body that is consistently a hopeless kick is not a help in any way, shape or form, for gods sake blood these kids instead of continually playing the likes of McGinnity and picking up another hack in Kane Lucas.

How McGinnity remained on the list is a complete mystery instead we let someone like Blayne Wilson go, who judging by the way he played in the first round of the WAFL and given our injuries down back would have been useful to still have around.

There were at least three crucial McGinnity turnovers that either directly or indirectly resulted in goals for Freo yesterday if not considerably more, that can't be tolerated and this is by no means a one off occurrence, these score from turnover when we should be scoring after having control of ball are massively energy sapping and sould destroying as the rest of the team then has to work their arses off to rush back and defend in an often vain attempt to cover for these horrendous errors.

The amount of times the ball ends up with McGinnity having the last kick into the forward line is terrifying and it cannot be allowed to continue to occur.

Darling and Mackenzie are two massive losses at the moment, it's robbing the Eagles of not one but quality two lead up marking players in Darling and McGovern both of whom are good kicks, with McGovern being forced to play down back which wouldn't be so bad if we still had Darling.

It will also be considerably better if we have a fit Mitch Brown and Schofield down back as it will free up Yeo and possibly McGovern a bit more but Darling's return will be likely closer to round 6 if not later, than it will be to round 1.
We already know what McGinnity has to offer, a real dour trier whose continual skill errors are completely unacceptable, it's time to find out exactly what some of these more skillful but less mature kids can offer. Like the look of both Nelson and Lamb and agree Sheed looked far more at home and considerably quicker as well, Selwood will be much better for the hitout as will Nic, my god is he quick at ground level.
If Naitanui can find his best form they're a different prospect entirely but a lot rests upon his massive shoulder and McGovern's. It's not all doom and gloom but it was very worrying at times.
I have enormous faith in Yeo and McGovern and think they're both genuine quality players who will only continue to get better and honestly believe that they're both potential stars, love the look of Lamb but I cannot emphasize this enough we cannot carry the likes of McGinnity any longer, even an inexperienced kid is going to give you more than what you're going to get from McGinnity in the long term.
There were signs yesterday as the game went on that Selwood if fit and healthy can get back to his best and with Yeo going through the midfield as well, as he did at times last year and if he does, that's another midfielder the other teams have to worry about and will make life easier for Priddis, Shuey, Masten, Sheed, Gaff, Wellingham, Le Cras etc and I firmly believe that Yeo can develop into a top quality midfield type player.

Andrew Carter said:
Have to feel for Mitch Brown, pretty sad and just what the doctor ordered for the Eagles our last established key defender going down with a season ending knee injury more than likely and possibly career ending as it was the same knee as he did previously according to afl.com.au.
Hope hes' alright for his sake as it looked terrible.
Schofield was injured again in the East Perth game, supposedly his ankle and hopefully it's not severe.
They may have to bring in someone like Fraser McInnes and see if he can hold down a key defensive position as he certainly has the stature to do so, whether he's mobile enough may be the problem and he did play down back at times for East Perth last season and Schofield is going to have to stand up and hold down a key defensive post, suppose McGovern has to hold down fullback now which is really asking a lot of him and robbing us of his versatility. On the plus side though I thought they played pretty well at various stages today, dogs deserved to win in the end though.
Now lets looks at your response.

Oh dear,

dungy said:

Andrew Carter said:
Have to feel for Mitch Brown, pretty sad and just what the doctor ordered for the Eagles our last established key defender going down with a season ending knee injury more than likely and possibly career ending as it was the same knee as he did previously according to afl.com.au.
Hope hes' alright for his sake as it looked terrible.
Schofield was injured again in the East Perth game, supposedly his ankle and hopefully it's not severe.
They may have to bring in someone like Fraser McInnes and see if he can hold down a key defensive position as he certainly has the stature to do so, whether he's mobile enough may be the problem and he did play down back at times for East Perth last season and Schofield is going to have to stand up and hold down a key defensive post, suppose McGovern has to hold down fullback now which is really asking a lot of him and robbing us of his versatility. On the plus side though I thought they played pretty well at various stages today, dogs deserved to win in the end though.

Andrew I thought as the Dogs from last year are missing Griffin,Cooney,Libba that's there entire midfield just about that there is nothing WC could take from that still have to many down hill skiers Gaff ,MAsten doesn't hurt opposition ,Lecras time to stand up now and relise it's not just about him ,NN was good in patches but that's him all over ,Lycett got smashed when he was in the middle ,Sheppard is just going with Darling ,EMac and Brown not there there flakey depth has been well and truly tested young Lamb is a player there is no doubt and Nelson looks good but over all you blokes are in for a rough few years McGovern Iran A grade gun Priddis the great Brownlow medal winner gets 7 kicks 21 handballs that's a lot of touches but 7 kicks ,and Wellingham well he is just a dead set lemon MAsten and Shuey are not top line mids b grade at best

RIO · September 2015

Andrew Carter said:

Let see who's got no idea shall we dungy.

Andrew Carter said:
You want to be smart aarse Dungy, then lets compare your "astute" judgment compared to mine and people can then judge for themselves who's the one with little to no idea. Just a couple of your pearlers, Wellingham a dead set lemon, overall you blokes are in for a rough few years, now that's funny. Never mind that Cooney was all but finished when the dogs offloaded him but according to you he was a loss. Plenty more where they came from :)

Andrew Carter said:
Sheppard had a very poor game he's not that bad but I have to agree that he had a shocker yesterday but overall the Eagles performance was frighteningly poor apart from two bursts, the first in the opening 10 minutes of the first quarter and in the last few minutes of the 3rd quarter and the first ten minutes of the final quarter when they actually looked pretty good in both patches,

When are the journo's here going to start targeting the match committee's continual selection of the likes of the totally skill-less McGinnity, yesterday was a golden opportunity to give Tunbridge and or McInnes a full game against quality opposition in a match that didn't mean anything instead we play McGinnity, the habitual turnover merchant who hasn't improved one iota, McGinnity, tries very hard of that there is no doubt but has there ever been a less skillful player on an AFL list???

Turnovers are and have been the Eagles achilles heel for the last decade and McGinnity is the chief offender currently, he cannot play in the senior side under any circumstances if we are to progress.

A mature body is one thing, a mature body that is consistently a hopeless kick is not a help in any way, shape or form, for gods sake blood these kids instead of continually playing the likes of McGinnity and picking up another hack in Kane Lucas.

How McGinnity remained on the list is a complete mystery instead we let someone like Blayne Wilson go, who judging by the way he played in the first round of the WAFL and given our injuries down back would have been useful to still have around.

There were at least three crucial McGinnity turnovers that either directly or indirectly resulted in goals for Freo yesterday if not considerably more, that can't be tolerated and this is by no means a one off occurrence, these score from turnover when we should be scoring after having control of ball are massively energy sapping and sould destroying as the rest of the team then has to work their arses off to rush back and defend in an often vain attempt to cover for these horrendous errors.

The amount of times the ball ends up with McGinnity having the last kick into the forward line is terrifying and it cannot be allowed to continue to occur.

Darling and Mackenzie are two massive losses at the moment, it's robbing the Eagles of not one but quality two lead up marking players in Darling and McGovern both of whom are good kicks, with McGovern being forced to play down back which wouldn't be so bad if we still had Darling.

It will also be considerably better if we have a fit Mitch Brown and Schofield down back as it will free up Yeo and possibly McGovern a bit more but Darling's return will be likely closer to round 6 if not later, than it will be to round 1.
We already know what McGinnity has to offer, a real dour trier whose continual skill errors are completely unacceptable, it's time to find out exactly what some of these more skillful but less mature kids can offer. Like the look of both Nelson and Lamb and agree Sheed looked far more at home and considerably quicker as well, Selwood will be much better for the hitout as will Nic, my god is he quick at ground level.
If Naitanui can find his best form they're a different prospect entirely but a lot rests upon his massive shoulder and McGovern's. It's not all doom and gloom but it was very worrying at times.
I have enormous faith in Yeo and McGovern and think they're both genuine quality players who will only continue to get better and honestly believe that they're both potential stars, love the look of Lamb but I cannot emphasize this enough we cannot carry the likes of McGinnity any longer, even an inexperienced kid is going to give you more than what you're going to get from McGinnity in the long term.
There were signs yesterday as the game went on that Selwood if fit and healthy can get back to his best and with Yeo going through the midfield as well, as he did at times last year and if he does, that's another midfielder the other teams have to worry about and will make life easier for Priddis, Shuey, Masten, Sheed, Gaff, Wellingham, Le Cras etc and I firmly believe that Yeo can develop into a top quality midfield type player.

Andrew Carter said:
Have to feel for Mitch Brown, pretty sad and just what the doctor ordered for the Eagles our last established key defender going down with a season ending knee injury more than likely and possibly career ending as it was the same knee as he did previously according to afl.com.au.
Hope hes' alright for his sake as it looked terrible.
Schofield was injured again in the East Perth game, supposedly his ankle and hopefully it's not severe.
They may have to bring in someone like Fraser McInnes and see if he can hold down a key defensive position as he certainly has the stature to do so, whether he's mobile enough may be the problem and he did play down back at times for East Perth last season and Schofield is going to have to stand up and hold down a key defensive post, suppose McGovern has to hold down fullback now which is really asking a lot of him and robbing us of his versatility. On the plus side though I thought they played pretty well at various stages today, dogs deserved to win in the end though.
Now lets looks at your response.

Oh dear,

dungy said:

Andrew Carter said:
Have to feel for Mitch Brown, pretty sad and just what the doctor ordered for the Eagles our last established key defender going down with a season ending knee injury more than likely and possibly career ending as it was the same knee as he did previously according to afl.com.au.
Hope hes' alright for his sake as it looked terrible.
Schofield was injured again in the East Perth game, supposedly his ankle and hopefully it's not severe.
They may have to bring in someone like Fraser McInnes and see if he can hold down a key defensive position as he certainly has the stature to do so, whether he's mobile enough may be the problem and he did play down back at times for East Perth last season and Schofield is going to have to stand up and hold down a key defensive post, suppose McGovern has to hold down fullback now which is really asking a lot of him and robbing us of his versatility. On the plus side though I thought they played pretty well at various stages today, dogs deserved to win in the end though.

Andrew I thought as the Dogs from last year are missing Griffin,Cooney,Libba that's there entire midfield just about that there is nothing WC could take from that still have to many down hill skiers Gaff ,MAsten doesn't hurt opposition ,Lecras time to stand up now and relise it's not just about him ,NN was good in patches but that's him all over ,Lycett got smashed when he was in the middle ,Sheppard is just going with Darling ,EMac and Brown not there there flakey depth has been well and truly tested young Lamb is a player there is no doubt and Nelson looks good but over all you blokes are in for a rough few years McGovern Iran A grade gun Priddis the great Brownlow medal winner gets 7 kicks 21 handballs that's a lot of touches but 7 kicks ,and Wellingham well he is just a dead set lemon MAsten and Shuey are not top line mids b grade at best

Legless said:
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legless' is the only response

RIO · September 2015

kane said:
If we all ignore Andrew is there a possibility he will go away?

Sometimes when you do a massive dump and you want to annoy everyone in the office you don't flush it.....If you ignore the smell it doesn't go away....Even when you flush it, there is still an odour that just won't go away. And when it goes away it has been that bad that you swear you can still smell it like it is still there.......I have a feeling AC is the same

dungy · September 2015

Andrew Carter said:

Let see who's got no idea shall we dungy.

Andrew Carter said:
You want to be smart aarse Dungy, then lets compare your "astute" judgment compared to mine and people can then judge for themselves who's the one with little to no idea. Just a couple of your pearlers, Wellingham a dead set lemon, overall you blokes are in for a rough few years, now that's funny. Never mind that Cooney was all but finished when the dogs offloaded him but according to you he was a loss. Plenty more where they came from :)

Andrew Carter said:
Sheppard had a very poor game he's not that bad but I have to agree that he had a shocker yesterday but overall the Eagles performance was frighteningly poor apart from two bursts, the first in the opening 10 minutes of the first quarter and in the last few minutes of the 3rd quarter and the first ten minutes of the final quarter when they actually looked pretty good in both patches,

When are the journo's here going to start targeting the match committee's continual selection of the likes of the totally skill-less McGinnity, yesterday was a golden opportunity to give Tunbridge and or McInnes a full game against quality opposition in a match that didn't mean anything instead we play McGinnity, the habitual turnover merchant who hasn't improved one iota, McGinnity, tries very hard of that there is no doubt but has there ever been a less skillful player on an AFL list???

Turnovers are and have been the Eagles achilles heel for the last decade and McGinnity is the chief offender currently, he cannot play in the senior side under any circumstances if we are to progress.

A mature body is one thing, a mature body that is consistently a hopeless kick is not a help in any way, shape or form, for gods sake blood these kids instead of continually playing the likes of McGinnity and picking up another hack in Kane Lucas.

How McGinnity remained on the list is a complete mystery instead we let someone like Blayne Wilson go, who judging by the way he played in the first round of the WAFL and given our injuries down back would have been useful to still have around.

There were at least three crucial McGinnity turnovers that either directly or indirectly resulted in goals for Freo yesterday if not considerably more, that can't be tolerated and this is by no means a one off occurrence, these score from turnover when we should be scoring after having control of ball are massively energy sapping and sould destroying as the rest of the team then has to work their arses off to rush back and defend in an often vain attempt to cover for these horrendous errors.

The amount of times the ball ends up with McGinnity having the last kick into the forward line is terrifying and it cannot be allowed to continue to occur.

Darling and Mackenzie are two massive losses at the moment, it's robbing the Eagles of not one but quality two lead up marking players in Darling and McGovern both of whom are good kicks, with McGovern being forced to play down back which wouldn't be so bad if we still had Darling.

It will also be considerably better if we have a fit Mitch Brown and Schofield down back as it will free up Yeo and possibly McGovern a bit more but Darling's return will be likely closer to round 6 if not later, than it will be to round 1.
We already know what McGinnity has to offer, a real dour trier whose continual skill errors are completely unacceptable, it's time to find out exactly what some of these more skillful but less mature kids can offer. Like the look of both Nelson and Lamb and agree Sheed looked far more at home and considerably quicker as well, Selwood will be much better for the hitout as will Nic, my god is he quick at ground level.
If Naitanui can find his best form they're a different prospect entirely but a lot rests upon his massive shoulder and McGovern's. It's not all doom and gloom but it was very worrying at times.
I have enormous faith in Yeo and McGovern and think they're both genuine quality players who will only continue to get better and honestly believe that they're both potential stars, love the look of Lamb but I cannot emphasize this enough we cannot carry the likes of McGinnity any longer, even an inexperienced kid is going to give you more than what you're going to get from McGinnity in the long term.
There were signs yesterday as the game went on that Selwood if fit and healthy can get back to his best and with Yeo going through the midfield as well, as he did at times last year and if he does, that's another midfielder the other teams have to worry about and will make life easier for Priddis, Shuey, Masten, Sheed, Gaff, Wellingham, Le Cras etc and I firmly believe that Yeo can develop into a top quality midfield type player.

Andrew Carter said:
Have to feel for Mitch Brown, pretty sad and just what the doctor ordered for the Eagles our last established key defender going down with a season ending knee injury more than likely and possibly career ending as it was the same knee as he did previously according to afl.com.au.
Hope hes' alright for his sake as it looked terrible.
Schofield was injured again in the East Perth game, supposedly his ankle and hopefully it's not severe.
They may have to bring in someone like Fraser McInnes and see if he can hold down a key defensive position as he certainly has the stature to do so, whether he's mobile enough may be the problem and he did play down back at times for East Perth last season and Schofield is going to have to stand up and hold down a key defensive post, suppose McGovern has to hold down fullback now which is really asking a lot of him and robbing us of his versatility. On the plus side though I thought they played pretty well at various stages today, dogs deserved to win in the end though.
Now lets looks at your response.

Oh dear,

dungy said:

Andrew Carter said:
Have to feel for Mitch Brown, pretty sad and just what the doctor ordered for the Eagles our last established key defender going down with a season ending knee injury more than likely and possibly career ending as it was the same knee as he did previously according to afl.com.au.
Hope hes' alright for his sake as it looked terrible.
Schofield was injured again in the East Perth game, supposedly his ankle and hopefully it's not severe.
They may have to bring in someone like Fraser McInnes and see if he can hold down a key defensive position as he certainly has the stature to do so, whether he's mobile enough may be the problem and he did play down back at times for East Perth last season and Schofield is going to have to stand up and hold down a key defensive post, suppose McGovern has to hold down fullback now which is really asking a lot of him and robbing us of his versatility. On the plus side though I thought they played pretty well at various stages today, dogs deserved to win in the end though.

Andrew I thought as the Dogs from last year are missing Griffin,Cooney,Libba that's there entire midfield just about that there is nothing WC could take from that still have to many down hill skiers Gaff ,MAsten doesn't hurt opposition ,Lecras time to stand up now and relise it's not just about him ,NN was good in patches but that's him all over ,Lycett got smashed when he was in the middle ,Sheppard is just going with Darling ,EMac and Brown not there there flakey depth has been well and truly tested young Lamb is a player there is no doubt and Nelson looks good but over all you blokes are in for a rough few years McGovern Iran A grade gun Priddis the great Brownlow medal winner gets 7 kicks 21 handballs that's a lot of touches but 7 kicks ,and Wellingham well he is just a dead set lemon MAsten and Shuey are not top line mids b grade at best

Carter you are the man with all the right answers but all in all you disgust me

AndrewCarter · September 2015

Why because I stand up for myself and don't put with crap from those on here who blatantly lie and misrepresent the truth and facts.

What exactly do I do that disgusts you so much mate, the fact that I expose corruption within the controlling body, that I am opinionated and back that up with logical argument and or facts, please enlighten me as to what is so disgusting.

The fact I stupidly in vain think I might get a logical, pleasant, entertaining and lively discussion / debate about sports or horses on here rather than never ending abuse personal and professional or blatant lies and deliberate distortion.

DamienWyer · September 2015

Andrew, how about you take a week off just like your team. Everyone will feel better about talking to you by then.

AndrewCarter · September 2015

Damien in reality it's water off a ducks back anyway what they think or don't think but thanks anyway.

DamienWyer · September 2015

Andrew Carter said:
Damien in reality it's water off a ducks back anyway what they think or don't think but thanks anyway.

You don't get it Andrew, I'm sick of listening to you waffle on as well.

AndrewCarter · September 2015

Sorry I'm not allowed to express a correct opinion about your teams poor form for the last three months :) I've had to listen to all the complete and utter nonsense about how the flag was already theirs for the entire season, they're the Eagles of the late 90's mate, the Eagles of the late 90's.

thefalcon · September 2015

...and they have the curse of the falcon upon them..... X(

Aquanita · September 2015

Interested to know where you have heard Dockers supporters saying it was all over.

Hasn't been the case on here and it is in this forum that you have lashed out

If you have acquaintances that have been saying that attack them.

octavius · September 2015

Andrew Carter said:
Sorry I'm not allowed to express a correct opinion about your teams poor form for the last three months :) I've had to listen to all the complete and utter nonsense about how the flag was already theirs for the entire season, they're the Eagles of the late 90's mate, the Eagles of the late 90's.

When only a handful of people tell you something Andrew you can argue it is merely opinion but when everyone is telling you the same thing which seems to be the case here then it is not an opinion.

Obviously the way you go about it on here has caused you not to have too many people in your corner so instead of ranting about why everyone is wrong and its not you maybe just take a minute to have a look at how your message is being delivered from high atop your horse.

I have my share of haters on here too (mainly dorkers) but you are universally disliked it seems so either change the way you deliver your opinion or just stop posting on here because all this rubbish is getting tiring and not sure why you keep at it with all the abuse that is flung your way, I suppose because at the core of the issue it is your "told you so" attitude that you cant abandon.

ColourfulRD · September 2015

Aquanita said:
Interested to know where you have heard Dockers supporters saying it was all over.

Hasn't been the case on here and it is in this forum that you have lashed out

If you have acquaintances that have been saying that attack them.

Don't worry, when Andrew is wrong he is the 1st person to put his hand up, has he been wrong yet?

this might be the 1st time, :)

AndrewCarter · September 2015

You got one thing right at least I am always the first to put my hand up and admit it if I'm wrong. Just like I did last weekend immediately after the Tigers game. Unlike some on here I've got no problem admitting if and when I'm wrong.

ColourfulRD · September 2015

so your admitting your wrong

AndrewCarter · September 2015

Already did straight after the match as have done so everytime I've got something wrong unlike some on here,check the thread.
Unlike some on here I'm not allergic like the fonz to saying I was wrrrooong.

brady · September 2015

Cop That
West Coast
You Beauty !

RIO · September 2015

i've been pleasantly surprised by the lack of Dockers supporters on here making excuses for their insipid display against a team that the eagles easily accounted for a couple of weeks ago.

And also harping on about how good they were all year, and how the eagles are going to get smashed next week. Good work dockers supporters, nice to see.Be interesting to see if you can keep it buttoned all week.

JayJay · September 2015

I am neutral...Brisbane ....but now the dust has settled, I think West Coast will win. Some are saying the Hawks "belted" Fremantle....mainly radio "experts" ...but I thought Freo were pretty stout, anything but insipid, and in Fyfe's case, amazingly game. Hawks kicked 15.4...if that was 10.9, it's a different story, it was 19 scoring shots to 17 and half way through the last quarter, Freo were still in it. So, I didn't see anything from the Hawks that would make me shudder. West Coast handled North pretty comfortably after a slow start, they are the form team, they have nothing to lose, so I think they are better than even money. Should be a terrific game but don't think West Coast will allow the Hawks to control the ball as easily as others do. Despite the Hawks immaculate kicking skills, West Coast are also pretty sharp in that area. Don't particularly like West Coast and hope Hawks win but West Coast for mine.

dungy · September 2015

RIO said:
i've been pleasantly surprised by the lack of Dockers supporters on here making excuses for their insipid display against a team that the eagles easily accounted for a couple of weeks ago.

And also harping on about how good they were all year, and how the eagles are going to get smashed next week. Good work dockers supporters, nice to see.Be interesting to see if you can keep it buttoned all week.

Good to see Fyfe couldn't improve anymore

brady · September 2015

Get on West Coast
Hawthorn are Gonski
Load up

dungy · September 2015

brady said:
Get on West Coast
Hawthorn are Gonski
Load up

2.50 on Luxbet WC if you jump them early you will win like here a few weeks ago but if they get on top early your done

goose · September 2015

Gut feeling tells me Eagles will win this they remind me of Hawthorn in 2008 Hawks werent over impressive last week half way through last quarter Dockers got within 9 points and we were playing very ordinary footy.
Congratulations on making the GF to Simpson and the recruiting team they identified a few key players that should have been playing for Fremantle Darling,Mcgovern and Yeo and the rest is history.

TheDiva · September 2015

Simpson a bit unlucky not to get coach of the year I thought.

RIO · September 2015

The Diva said:
Simpson a bit unlucky not to get coach of the year I thought.

Who got it?? Going from out of top8 into a GF is pretty hard to beat

oldhendo · September 2015

Beveridge

RIO · September 2015

oldhendo said:
Beveridge

thanks, i was out and about and couldn't get the search working on the phone properly...

he's worthy too, but think Simpson was more so...

Darrbs · September 2015

Big story Melb papers tomorrow. Apparently D Chick has given a tell all interview. 3 days before his old club plays in a grand final. What a champion :-w

Legless · September 2015

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darkshines · September 2015

"But it was never performance enhancing" .... the description he gave of the asthma drug ....

G'day Punter!

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