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2015 Railway Stakes

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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    Amorino is another who couldn't get warm here last summer yet went straight to Vic and continually ran well and won several races after finishing down the track in a supposedly sub standard Railway.
    Group 1 placed following it and was a winner at listed and Group 3 level over there since, even The Cleaner went back there and has performed well.
    Fuchsia Bandana another whose form has been good since the Railway and has hardly put a foot wrong but hey I'm the one who's being selective, now that's funny Damien,
    Don't ever accuse me again of being selective in my journalism as you have zero idea about what you're talking about when it comes to my journalism and the research I put into it mate.

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  • spinkingspinking    4,002 posts
    What planet are you on damien prizmoney means nothing your a morron

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  • JustanLJustanL    356 posts
    A bloodstock agent rang me wanting $1m for horse that ran 4th to Patinacks pretender. Talked up the railway run, but now wants to bag the railway?. Glad I said no, seems you sold the thing anyways. Hope you made a $$$.
  • BlacksAFakeBlacksAFake    2,380 posts
    Speaking of horses going East,if He Or She doesn't get the job Wednesday,might be time to send it home.It would have to be a big chance in Railway??
  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    edited October 2015
     
    spinking said:

    What planet are you on damien prizmoney means nothing your a morron

    it's certainly not necessarily an indication of the quality of a field.
    pretty sure it's a long time since the railway field met the requirements necessary to warrant the G1 tag.
    i don't know how they keep it thus, as it must mean breaking the asian pattern rules.

    it is not just wa that is kidding itself in this regard either.



  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,008 posts
    Just an L said:

    A bloodstock agent rang me wanting $1m for horse that ran 4th to Patinacks pretender. Talked up the railway run, but now wants to bag the railway?. Glad I said no, seems you sold the thing anyways. Hope you made a $$$.

    $1M ? What horse was that ?
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,008 posts

    For pete sake Damien who gives a damn about stallion prospects, that's the reason why we no longer have Group 1 WFA stars competing year in, year out because god forbid breeders might have the value of their "unproven" star juveniles and hype "champions" devalued.
    Punters and racegoers alike want good horses competing and genuinely proving themselves to be the best, not being kept in cotton wool as stallion prospects.

    Group 1 racing is for breeding. Punters just want competitive fields where winners pay reasonable odds because there are so many chances. Means nothing to a punter if winning the race makes a stallion or not, just as Group status means nothing on a tote board.

    I would have thought everyone knew that.
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,504 posts
    imho there are too many stallions in oz.
  • spinkingspinking    4,002 posts
    Carey I never said prizemoney was indicitive of field quality but whoever on this site or involved in racing as a owner or for that matter a jockey or trainer and is under the impression prizemoney means nothing is delusional

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,008 posts
    A $500,000 Railway would attract exactly the dame field. The $500,000 saved could be distributed to 10 Group 3 races for example at $50,000 apiece. Far more owners would then benefit from that distribution.

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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    edited October 2015
    Breeding "value" means nothing if the horse is just hype mate and far too often that is happening, Breeders don't give a **** about the quality of Australian racing, as a matter of fact they're happy if your horse is burned out by the end of it's three year-year-old career as they can again sell you another massively over priced yearling, which they had someone run it up on you at the sales.

    Unproven horses going to stud is robbing Australian racing of our future greats, funny how
    racing on as an older horse didn't seem to do Lonhro any harm.

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  • ColourfulRDColourfulRD    480 posts
    The Goodwood a better race than the Railway?  pulease nearly as silly as Damo's valuation of All Too Hard  $600k wasn't it

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  • ColourfulRDColourfulRD    480 posts
    look at what some Railway winners have done compared to Goodwood winners, give me a break

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  • WinsumlosesumWinsumlosesum    138 posts

    A $500,000 Railway would attract exactly the dame field. The $500,000 saved could be distributed to 10 Group 3 races for example at $50,000 apiece. Far more owners would then benefit from that distribution.

    Would still all end up in Bobs pockets.
  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    So let me get this straight with the current crap fields contesting what are laughably called listed and group races we have during the year rather than a real carnival which give locals something to aim at and be rewarded for on their home soil if you are lucky enough to have a genuine class horse you would rather have another 10 crap races 50k races, that's a terrific idea Damien not.

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  • GaryHGaryH    1,012 posts
    edited October 2015
    Who give a Flying F#@k about black type races!  Put on 15 x $80k welter class races ($450k assuming it replaces a $50k Saturday race) for the handful of genuine class horses.  Owners get a return.  Punters actually see class horses running as opposed to 2 & 3 year old flash in the pans.

    Throwing out money on over inflated group races so Perth Racing can sell the chairman's lounge out for a $1M, is a terrific idea.... 

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,008 posts

    So let me get this straight with the current crap fields contesting what are laughably called listed and group races we have during the year rather than a real carnival which give locals something to aim at and be rewarded for on their home soil if you are lucky enough to have a genuine class horse you would rather have another 10 crap races 50k races, that's a terrific idea Damien not.

    Andrew I think you are clueless. It's taken me awhile to get there, but as much as you hold yourself out to be an expert in Racing and Football, I think your having a lend of yourself.

    The example was to illustrate a wider distribution of stakes money, so that more WA Racing participants can profit from those increases. How about a $25,000 Maiden every fortnight to open each Saturday meeting ? Maximum fields and maximum distribution.

    Half a million is enough for a race that is not a real Group 1, many Gr 1's around the nation are run at that level of stakes money as it is, and they are not class deficient.
  • jumjum    3,582 posts

    ^:)^   =D>

    Get the Welters Back

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,008 posts

    The Goodwood a better race than the Railway?  pulease nearly as silly as Damo's valuation of All Too Hard  $600k wasn't it

    Do you know commercial vendors sending real clients mares to him ? I have only spoken to two vendors who prepare horses for sales and ready to runs. Both have reservations about his future. He may sell to stupid money as a lot of first season heavily marketed stallions do, but when push comes to shove, he needs to produce, and that line of stallions has been in decline for sometime.
  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    jum said:

    ^:)^   =D>

    Get the Welters Back

    jum, just to put it in perspective.
    the welters when they were last held were the equivalent of 80+ ratings races.
    then there was regular 86+ at 3kg stronger than the welters and the stakes races started at about 3 -3.5kg stronger than that at about the equivalent of 92+ or 93+ unscaled.
    now the pg4's are struggling to get decent fields off a base rating of 90, and the next regularly run class is a 72+ a whopping 4 kg inferior to welter class and even the odd 78+ is inferior to welter class too.

    no wonder your racing over there is fu..ed.
    one day they(rwwa and their racing department) will wake up from their self inflicted coma, but it will be too late.

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  • hashhash    7,495 posts

    H-BOMBER said:

    Given the "failure" of Lankan Rupee on the weekend, would a trip to Perth be worth it?

    I doubt they can solve his problems in a month. Some pretty ordinary horses beat him on saturday
    I think he got well beaten odds on first up last prep then put it together and improved sharply at the valley in a night race to smash his rivals... I didn't see the run but I wouldn't be jumping off the champ just yet... it would have been interesting to hear Mick Price's thoughts pre race from Saturday as he is one trainer that tells it how it is and must be respected when he tips his own or the opposite and steers the punters clear etc 
  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    If you think it's a fantastic idea to run another laughably titled 10 group or listed 50k races for inferior horses and therefore rewarding yet again mediocrity, you're the one's who's clueless mate.
    Take your breeders hat off for 5 seconds and it might help.

    Its breeder who have systematically destroyed WA racing, we have no feature staying races during the winter which used to be a highlight of the winter racing programs so therefore no reward for owners who are actually patient and want to breed and or race a stayer rather than a quick return immature 2yo who is effectively finished by the end of their 3yo career, I have a bit of time for the long term welfare of horses, do you???
    The current system is a joke there is absolutely nowhere to go for horses that are just open class and can no longer earn competing in that class ,and I wholeheartedly agree with someone who made an earlier statement that it was welters that used to cater for those horses and enable to remain a viable racing proposition.
    As for no idea I predicted several weeks out that your ageing team wouldn't make the GF and explained exactly why and that's what occurred, so I suggest you go back to the drawing board.

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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    edited October 2015
    Face it Damien you knocked a horse that was arguably the best horse in Australasia at the time and were proven to be incorrect and still won't admit it and you reckon I've got no idea, coming from you I'll take that as a compliment. I didnt start  making the personal insults mate but if you want to make them I'll guarantee you will come off second best in that as well.
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,504 posts

    remember the saying "he's a great old welter performer"?

    use to be the last race...when in doubt back the top weight.

    it would not take much effort to bring them back...and call then a bloody welter!!

    note to mr. hunter...carey will give you a hand if you get stuck?

    ps he probably does not know what a welter is.

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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    he certainly has no idea of what a kg, and even reckons that the 54 limit for female horses that he has give a set weight of 53 to is just like what happens in a handicap.

    he actually said that to me via twitter, fair dinkum what more evidence could one want that he is in hopelessly over his head.

    just to put that in perspective the base weight for a male is 55, the base for a female is 53, but then he goes and puts a 54 limit thus ensuring the set weight he has for females will neve be carried, and they always have to meet the males 1kg worse off and 1kg more than the set weight.
    and to make a mockery of that B U L L S H I T, the pretend listed 3yo 'stakes race' on saturday does not have that condition and the females actually do carry the 53, thus further proving how he has fu..ed the joint.

    i know i should not make it personal, but he makes my blood boil, with his ineptness.

  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    edited October 2015
    better you don't have a look at the Northerly fiield this week then @carey 8-} you will probably blow a gasket  >:)

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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    already seen it legless, and that is another example of why he has to go.
  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    edited October 2015
    Nominations are extended as well, speaks volumes for how low our racing has sunk when you have to extend nominations for the Northerly on Ascot's opening day.
    But its not restricted to us that was the worst Caulfield Guineas in years and apart from the winner and perhaps one or two others heading towards the Derby and the same goes for the Epsom apart from the winner Winx.
  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    edited October 2015
    carey said:

    already seen it legless, and that is another example of why he has to go.

    At a quick glance there is only a couple of "handicaps" left during the carnival - Railway, Perth Cup, Asian Beau and the RJ Peters.

    Everything else that is not SW or WFA is SW&P :-?
  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    wfa or set weight is fine i think because they are unambiguous.
    but the conditions of the set weight penalty races are farcical.
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