Lucy Warwick 18 day suspension misses Kingston town meeting

dungy · November 2015

Aussiereds72 said:
also interesting to read jason brown bagging peters saying pike isnt allowed to use initiative

Bobs going to have probably 5 in the KT and J Brown wont be on any of them he will be in jocks room were all D graders are while gr-1s are run

darkshines · November 2015

Pretty laughable bagging Peters' for his riding directives, fair to say what he does works. Should he ride them like an IGA instructs em to, how many of those animals get cooked and you never hear from again? Unbelievable how well Miss Rose De Lago has gone on with it, considering how he was instructing the jocks to ride it when it was here.

Collectively the cerise and white seem to be pretty sound and resilient horses. I don't reckon they'd be that way if they weren't ridden as conservative as they are.

dungy · November 2015

darkshines said:
Pretty laughable bagging Peters' for his riding directives, fair to say what he does works. Should he ride them like an IGA instructs em to, how many of those animals get cooked and you never hear from again? Unbelievable how well Miss Rose De Lago has gone on with it, considering how he was instructing the jocks to ride it when it was here.

Collectively the cerise and white seem to be pretty sound and resilient horses. I don't reckon they'd be that way if they weren't ridden as conservative as they are.

IGA

RIO · November 2015

IGA = Mr S Miller

carey · November 2015

darkshines said:
Pretty laughable bagging Peters' for his riding directives, fair to say what he does works. Should he ride them like an IGA instructs em to, how many of those animals get cooked and you never hear from again? Unbelievable how well Miss Rose De Lago has gone on with it, considering how he was instructing the jocks to ride it when it was here.

Collectively the cerise and white seem to be pretty sound and resilient horses. I don't reckon they'd be that way if they weren't ridden as conservative as they are.

if the horses were always put in the best position possible, then they would win many more is my humble opinion.
it's statistical fact that back is worst place to be most times.
if you ride back, you are nearly always dependent on what happens in front of you, notwithstanding his horses may just be 'better'.

back certainly never suited on their biggest day of the year.
delicacy(ran about 33.44 last 600, so it would have had to have wings) was given none as was real love.
then how many hard luck stories did they have?
i watched him run up arses at least 3 times.

darkshines · November 2015

carey said:

darkshines said:
Pretty laughable bagging Peters' for his riding directives, fair to say what he does works. Should he ride them like an IGA instructs em to, how many of those animals get cooked and you never hear from again? Unbelievable how well Miss Rose De Lago has gone on with it, considering how he was instructing the jocks to ride it when it was here.

Collectively the cerise and white seem to be pretty sound and resilient horses. I don't reckon they'd be that way if they weren't ridden as conservative as they are.
if the horses were always put in the best position possible, then they would win many more is my humble opinion.
it's statistical fact that back is worst place to be most times.
if you ride back, you are nearly always dependent on what happens in front of you, notwithstanding his horses may just be 'better'.

back certainly never suited on their biggest day of the year.
delicacy(ran about 33.44 last 600, so it would have had to have wings) was given none as was real love.
then how many hard luck stories did they have?
i watched him run up arses at least 3 times.

Agree with all of that, but completely beside my point. Maybe the info isnt public, but how many of his top flight ones do you hear get 'busted' after a short stint at their top. Not a shot at that particular teams, but thinking a Smoko, Dantes Volonte etc.

I think his riding instructions are part of the non 2yo thing, getting the most out of the animal in the long run. No doubt not leading might be incur a penalty compared to leading, but my argument is that penaty is balanced by the extra soundness/starts he extracts from them.

I think the 'riding back' thing is a little exaggerated too, his only preference is they get cover. Delicacy and RL went right back only due to barriers. If Delicacy drew 3 it sits 4th. Neverland was close with cover, as was Ideal Image.

georgecantstandya · November 2015

@carey That exactly the point. It's fine to ride them conservatively but if you're not saving them for a Group 1 race, then what are you saving them for? Maybe Bob thought weight of numbers would win the day? But as the connections of Fame Game found out, you don't know what circumstances you are going to encounter if you give a horse a quiet run ahead of a later target.

jum · November 2015

georgecantstandya said:
@carey That exactly the point. It's fine to ride them conservatively but if you're not saving them for a Group 1 race, then what are you saving them for? Maybe Bob thought weight of numbers would win the day? But as the connections of Fame Game found out, you don't know what circumstances you are going to encounter if you give a horse a quiet run ahead of a later target.

FAME GAME Why George Why bring up Fame Game
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georgecantstandya · November 2015

jum said:

georgecantstandya said:
@carey That exactly the point. It's fine to ride them conservatively but if you're not saving them for a Group 1 race, then what are you saving them for? Maybe Bob thought weight of numbers would win the day? But as the connections of Fame Game found out, you don't know what circumstances you are going to encounter if you give a horse a quiet run ahead of a later target.
FAME GAME Why George Why bring up Fame Game
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dungy · November 2015

lol lol lol

So last year the cerise and white won the following
Derby
Oaks
the Railway
2nd and 3rd in the KT
2nd in the Guineaus
won the Cox Stakes
won Perth Cup
Champ Fillies
I must have missed a few its racing as long the sun comes up there is bad luck in racing maybe after reading all this tripe Bob might give it away lol lol

carey · November 2015

dungy, i am trying to figure the point of your posting, apart from having a go at me.
my conclusion....no point!
he won LAST year's railway, and SHOULD HAVE WON THIS ONE, and would have, if the task set was not as big as it was.

your bad luck is nonsensical by the way, there is a difference between 'bad luck' and 'self inflicted stuff ups'.
not one shred of doubt it was the latter last saturday.

Amyquil · November 2015

carey said:
dungy, i am trying to figure the point of your posting, apart from having a go at me.
my conclusion....no point!
he won LAST year's railway, and SHOULD HAVE WON THIS ONE, and would have, if the task set was not as big as it was.

your bad luck is nonsensical by the way, there is a difference between 'bad luck' and 'self inflicted stuff ups'.
not one shred of doubt it was the latter last saturday.

Looked to me like conceding defeat and save them for another day.

That would be against the rules of racing so I'm no doubt wrong but it makes no sense that such experienced people would get tactics so badly wrong in the state's richest race.

dungy · November 2015

carey said:
dungy, i am trying to figure the point of your posting, apart from having a go at me.
my conclusion....no point!
he won LAST year's railway, and SHOULD HAVE WON THIS ONE, and would have, if the task set was not as big as it was.

your bad luck is nonsensical by the way, there is a difference between 'bad luck' and 'self inflicted stuff ups'.
not one shred of doubt it was the latter last saturday.

Spot Carey your right again mate lol lol

dungy · November 2015

carey said:
dungy, i am trying to figure the point of your posting, apart from having a go at me.
my conclusion....no point!
he won LAST year's railway, and SHOULD HAVE WON THIS ONE, and would have, if the task set was not as big as it was.

your bad luck is nonsensical by the way, there is a difference between 'bad luck' and 'self inflicted stuff ups'.
not one shred of doubt it was the latter last saturday.

Carey exactly from the outside gate should have Pike ridden Delicacy ?? and also Arcadia Dream another who drew the outside gate on a leaders track ?? push forward maybe ?? then get stuck 3 and 4 deep ?? be interested to hear your answer

carey · November 2015

one huge problems with riders in wa is that they draw a widish gate and think, "oh fmd, i have to drop right out again".

pike even goes at right angles straight to the fence almost, as do some others,and it is plainly ridiculous, before you even know what the pace is like.
either he is under orders or he does not do his homework, like that good looking guy from victoria does religiously, you know ,the one that you love so much!
he gets away with it sometimes, but just as often he doesn't, and he has the benefit of being on the best horse most times which would help.

wide is actually not such a big deal if you are not working too hard and have cover, and there is the added bonus of not running up arses as he tends to do very very often.
certainly not as bad as dropping right out regardless, even when the track is playing like it was on saturday,
whatever, a good rider would try to find a spot before settling, not just automatically drop to rear.

wide gates most times are simply conduits for better prices, unless it is in wa where the reactions are automatic.
it's probably safe most times to omit the horse as a winning chance.......not because the horse was not good enough, but because the rider decides to set an impossible task without testing the waters first.

dungy · November 2015

I think we will agree to disagree for a change Tends to run asses often lol lol 83 winners from 280 rides gee your a harsh judge i thought i was a tough marker when he lands 4 and 5 winners and rides brilliant never hear this talk lol lol funny that best horses or not they still have to win and his numbers suggests they do a fair bit lol lol how does his strike rate compare to jocks around Oz ??

:)

carey · November 2015

dungy, you can LOL all you like, but one thing is certain, i have won much much more than you over the years.
that's because i don't show unrequited love to any of them.

mr pike's strike rate is far higher with peters than it is without peters.
without peters it is no better than many others.
and i have told you many many times before, strike rate is a rubbish metric anyway.
you can't feed YOUR kids off pike's strike rate!

pike may well be the best over there, but that does not mean too much.
trainers make jockeys, not vice versa, and in the case of pike you can say owners make him.
remember mick clarke,...he was just so so as a rider, but then he won a race for colin hayes, and the rest is history.
that is oft repeated all over, inclusive of w pike.

thefusillijerry · November 2015

@carey You make some really good points in your last post. I think Pike needs more practice though if he's to go forward more often. He tried it in the last race yesterday and it almost csertainly cost him the race.

dungy · November 2015

carey said:
dungy, you can LOL all you like, but one thing is certain, i have won much much more than you over the years.
that's because i don't show unrequited love to any of them.

mr pike's strike rate is far higher with peters than it is without peters.
without peters it is no better than many others.
and i have told you many many times before, strike rate is a rubbish metric anyway.
you can't feed YOUR kids off pike's strike rate!

pike may well be the best over there, but that does not mean too much.
trainers make jockeys, not vice versa, and in the case of pike you can say owners make him.
remember mick clarke,...he was just so so as a rider, but then he won a race for colin hayes, and the rest is history.
that is oft repeated all over, inclusive of w pike.

How on earth would you possibly no what i have won ??? i always though you were a genius well you must be that computer of yours is a wonder the good old commodore 64 maybe ? lol lol lol

dungy · November 2015

carey said:
dungy, you can LOL all you like, but one thing is certain, i have won much much more than you over the years.
that's because i don't show unrequited love to any of them.

mr pike's strike rate is far higher with peters than it is without peters.
without peters it is no better than many others.
and i have told you many many times before, strike rate is a rubbish metric anyway.
you can't feed YOUR kids off pike's strike rate!

pike may well be the best over there, but that does not mean too much.
trainers make jockeys, not vice versa, and in the case of pike you can say owners make him.
remember mick clarke,...he was just so so as a rider, but then he won a race for colin hayes, and the rest is history.
that is oft repeated all over, inclusive of w pike.

How on earth would you possibly no what i have won ??? i always though you were a genius well you must be that computer of yours is a wonder the good old commodore 64 maybe ? lol lol lol

carey · November 2015

dungy said:

carey said:

How on earth would you possibly no what i have won ??? i always though you were a genius well you must be that computer of yours is a wonder the good old commodore 64 maybe ? lol lol lol

no need to get uppity dungy, you're no different to most.
nearly everybody loses, so it's a fair guess you do too....although i am VERY confident it's not a guess with you.
i reckon the chance that you win is buckley's and none.

and yes i did once have a commodore 64, but dunno why that is worth a LOL!
in fact i am still trying to figure what's worth so many LOL's in your posts.
do you love LOL's as much as mr pike maybe?

and dungy.....it's ok, i know i am smarter than you, thanks though for calling me a genius, even if it was meant in a derogatory way.

carey · November 2015

thefusillijerry said:
@carey You make some really good points in your last post. I think Pike needs more practice though if he's to go forward more often. He tried it in the last race yesterday and it almost csertainly cost him the race.

didn't watch it.
but there is not a jockey riding that wins more often coming from behind than does from up close.
jockey analysis is just as important as analysis of the horse he/she is sitting on.
after all there are 2 living things out there for every tab number in every race....horse AND rider, and only one of them usually is in charge, and makes the decisions.
most people tend to not place the same importance on the rider as they do the horse....and they should.

dungy · November 2015

carey said:

dungy said:

carey said:

How on earth would you possibly no what i have won ??? i always though you were a genius well you must be that computer of yours is a wonder the good old commodore 64 maybe ? lol lol lol
no need to get uppity dungy, you're no different to most.
nearly everybody loses, so it's a fair guess you do too....although i am VERY confident it's not a guess with you.
i reckon the chance that you win is buckley's and none.

and yes i did once have a commodore 64, but dunno why that is worth a LOL!
in fact i am still trying to figure what's worth so many LOL's in your posts.
do you love LOL's as much as mr pike maybe?

and dungy.....it's ok, i know i am smarter than you, thanks though for calling me a genius, even if it was meant in a derogatory way.

Your smarter than most i thought LOL keep at it soldier you do make good points but remember opinions are like assholes we all have one

AceV · November 2015

Grown men do not 'lol'

carey · November 2015

arseholes thank you very much...indeed we do have opinions that differ, but of course some opinions are better and more factual than others.
especially those that are formed from sound logic and unbiased data analysis, rather than unrequited love, and it must be unrequited love, for you to keep going after that hiding you copped last saturday!

i am really interested dungy......has jess ever told you that w pike belongs to her and to keep your beady eyes off?

thefalcon · November 2015

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jum · November 2015

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You two should get a room

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spinking · November 2015

just relating back to the first page of this post about Jeff Noske the fall was after the post the other jockey was Max Roney not Brendan leunig

G'day Punter!

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