Open letter to some jockeys on behalf of punter

[DeletedUser] · June 2012

Just a question i would like cleared up this one is to glen smith on our larrikin DO U KNOW HOW FAST U ARE GOING IN RACES.Yes i know u had a wide gate ect ect but i have to tell u from a punters point of view week in week out and u run clearly the best closing sectionals of the race and u go 15 wide on home turn so wide u could get a pie over fence and run a fast closing 4th at great odds which said punter is on each way it tends to drive us up wall after a few hours of form study as u only were going 12secs for first half of race y is it u were back so far that u give horse no hope are u just not trying or dont understand race pace.From were i am sitting said punter just is wondering it just happens so much as u are said to be professional riders i would have thought u know how quick u were going.U see from were said punter sits your margins for error seem to be out so far all the time that i struggle to understand maybe a few jocks can clear things up thanks.As i know u all get payed but us punters get zip so when u feel u are on best horse and u done work to find it i think its a fair question dont u.

magoo83 · June 2012

my old man was a jockey in europe in the 70's, whenever i had a whinge about a ride he would tell me " boy if u think you could do a better job do the hard yards and become a jockey or stop moaning about it" i personally dont rate him which is why he wont be riding any of mine but im not going to string him up for a bad ride because i know i couldn't do his job.....

[DeletedUser] · June 2012

Thats a fair point i agree but i will say if your timing is out that much is that not a issue if i am a trademen and i do a bad job do i get more work question be no.I think its a fair question if anyone can tell me were i am wrong i am all ears.

Nevershowsurprise · June 2012

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Thats a fair point i agree but i will say if your timing is out that much is that not a issue if i am a trademen and i do a bad job do i get more work question be no.I think its a fair question if anyone can tell me were i am wrong i am all ears.

You shouldn't be punting, you clearly can't see through the sea of shit you speak...

BobbyDavis · June 2012

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Thats a fair point i agree but i will say if your timing is out that much is that not a issue if i am a trademen and i do a bad job do i get more work question be no.I think its a fair question if anyone can tell me were i am wrong i am all ears.
You shouldn't be punting, you clearly can't see through the sea of **** you speak...

If you are all ears- now hear this.....

-The horse was slowly away from an outside gate.
-It doesn't sit on the pace in the vast majority of races.
-If it is on-pace, it is because it is racing over more ground than today (and in lesser-class races than today).
-Since it was slow away it can't just zoom around the outside to take up a gun position or it will drop out at the finish.
-It doesn't usually measure up in todays class of field. You say you backed it today. Confirms that you are not top shelf in the form analysis stakes.
-Riding a racehorse in a race is not a computer game- you need to make split-second decisions and quite often 'plan A' doesn't eventuate.
-You are a pest.
-I think you might be related to Sam Newman.

[DeletedUser] · June 2012

THE WORD ASS LICKER COMES TO MIND ABOUT U NEVER SHOWSURPRISE BIGTIME.

Unknown · June 2012

I do speed maps for every wa race and it was highly likely the horse would settle where it did.

dungy · June 2012

Agree with BC Our Larrikan always sits rear end of the field you only have to look at previous runs to no that

TorpedoPunt · June 2012

I must remember to put in a space after each full stop.

Repeat.

I must remember to put in a space after each full stop.

Repeat.

I must remember to put in a space after each full stop.

[DeletedUser] · June 2012

Yes i dont disagree with your comments della my point is when u can run a sectional like that late and u are going that slow first half y not let horse slide into race wide he went 10 wide on bend anyway why not just let go a bit more early and slide up closer thats my point.They just give horse no hope from were he is in the run thats all.The thing people dont seem to get is if u are going that slow in first half of race it does not matter if u creep into race wide the point is u are not going fast enough for it to matter.What he should have been more worried about is giving horse to much ground to make up the sectionals clearly state this morning what i thought after race they dont lie.

Unknown · June 2012

AND MY POINT IS - YOU CANNOT BET ON WHAT THE JOCKEY SHOULD DO - YOU CAN ONLY BET ON WHAT YOU EXPECT THE JOCKEY WILL DO

YOU NEED TO FACTOR IN THE RUN THE HORSE IS GOING TO HAVE AND THE LIKELIHOOD THE JOCKEY WILL MAKE ERRORS

EVERYONE KNOWS JOCKEYS MAKE MISTAKES AND THAT IS A LOT MORE LIKELY ON A BACKMARKER

in the overall scheme of things the ride Glenn Smith gave the horse was totally expected

[DeletedUser] · June 2012

What about ride on mable grace what was that in a small field.

Unknown · June 2012

that was worthy of criticism because the horse was positioned in a totally unexpected position

SLIPPERGOLDEN · June 2012

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YOU CANNOT BET ON WHAT THE JOCKEY SHOULD DO - YOU CAN ONLY BET ON WHAT YOU EXPECT THE JOCKEY WILL DO

The first thing to expect is that the jockey will give the horse every opportunity to win the race.

Unknown · June 2012

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YOU CANNOT BET ON WHAT THE JOCKEY SHOULD DO - YOU CAN ONLY BET ON WHAT YOU EXPECT THE JOCKEY WILL DO
The first thing to expect is that the jockey will give the horse every opportunity to win the race.

incorrect

SLIPPERGOLDEN · June 2012

What's the first thing then.... he/she can sit on board?

thefalcon · June 2012

you tend to make these one word pontifications, aaron, wwithout backing them up with your reasons.

TheDiva · June 2012

im in BC's court here. Our Larrikin was never going to be anywhere else but well back, drawn that gate. You could also have predicted he's be flashing home into 4th or 5th with an eye catching run. Thats the kind of horse he is and you'll probably go broke backing him.

Mabel Grace should have been leading, no doubt. for whatever reason, he didnt, but Paterson's biggest mistake was moving back to the fence when he was third behind the leaders.....that was plain suicide. Im sure, being a kid, he'll learn a lot from that mistake. Im sure Adam doesnt like losing races like that......it was a walk up, all he had to do was get to the front. He'll no doubt mentor Paterson on where he went wrong.

thefalcon · June 2012

as i said before they forgot to alter the instructions from when late night flight was in the race.. :lol:

Ghurka · June 2012

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im in BC's court here. Our Larrikin was never going to be anywhere else but well back, drawn that gate. You could also have predicted he's be flashing home into 4th or 5th with an eye catching run. Thats the kind of horse he is and you'll probably go broke backing him.

Mabel Grace should have been leading, no doubt. for whatever reason, he didnt, but Paterson's biggest mistake was moving back to the fence when he was third behind the leaders.....that was plain suicide. Im sure, being a kid, he'll learn a lot from that mistake. Im sure Adam doesnt like losing races like that......it was a walk up, all he had to do was get to the front. He'll no doubt mentor Paterson on where he went wrong.

the stewards report explains that bit a little, he only really in his first season of riding and I reckon the pressure would be bigger when these young kids ride things that are just supposed to win. He bounced back later in the day.

Unknown · June 2012

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you tend to make these one word pontifications, aaron, wwithout backing them up with your reasons.

I have already given the reasons

auzzie · June 2012

wish he went 15 deep on caves road he probly would of been in clear room lol maybe they should play g1 jockey on sony 3 might sharpen there skillz lol

SLIPPERGOLDEN · June 2012

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The first thing to expect is that the jockey will give the horse every opportunity to win the race.

I should've mentioned that this comment is general and not made with any direct reference to rides discussed

rot8in · June 2012

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YOU CANNOT BET ON WHAT THE JOCKEY SHOULD DO - YOU CAN ONLY BET ON WHAT YOU EXPECT THE JOCKEY WILL DO
The first thing to expect is that the jockey will give the horse every opportunity to win the race.
incorrect

Knew I was doing something wrong...so how do we know what the jockey will do?
You would hope that he or she gives it a hope of winning(no reference to a particular race)

choc · June 2012

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wish he went 15 deep on caves road he probly would of been in clear room lol maybe they should play g1 jockey on sony 3 might sharpen there skillz lol

We all knew where Caves would be in tne run. I was happy to take the 7/2 because i genuinely thought this would be the prep it takes a prominent step, and thought we could pinch a price first up.
If it was 1400, it wins going away and youre vindicated. Unfortunately your just not going to get the price in similar company next few starts i wouldnt have thought, its finish backs up szme, though absolutely nothing wrong with the ride given normal patterns and no, im not privvy to whatever potential instructions were issued by its connections

obrienrb · June 2012

when durrant was interviewed after the last when paterson won on texan, he said it was good for benny after having no luck earlier in the day (rather than a bad ride)....perhaps the young bloke was given instructions to take a sit, cant imagine why but maybe....im sure stearing mable grace to the rails was never the instruction tho. :(

jonesee · June 2012

Benjo rode some very poor races on Satdy but he is a young kid and lets hope he can improve.

G'day Punter!

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