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WyongiWyongi    152 posts
edited February 2013 West Australian Racing
Melbourne stewards report today..

Trainer Mr A Durrant (Mr Moet) was questioned as a result from a report from the Compliance Assurance Team and after considering evidence from Mr K Ashby along with video footage that was taken at the time of the stable inspection and also evidence from RV Chief veterinary surgeon Dr B Stewart, the matter was adjourned to a date to be fixed.
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  • WyongiWyongi    152 posts
    A paste used by THE LIBERATION ARMY of CHINA,1950's was found,according to an on-track Adrian Dunn report.
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,482 posts
    took the victorian authorities 5 minutes......
    perth????
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    mmmmm loooks like we have all been reading Dick Francis novels ??????
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    Wyongi said:

    A paste used by THE LIBERATION ARMY of CHINA,1950's was found,according to an on-track Adrian Dunn report.

    Is it on the banned list ??? Id say so
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    a treatment on the day of a race??? without stewards approvals??? has this ever happened in the racing industry in WA???

    of course there is no proof at this stage that anything untoward happened, and I'd suspect that AD wouldn't be silly enough to make the same mistake twice.

    Now this is different to horses fiddling with the pace of a race, but treating horses on race day may still be considered a sort of corruption, ...@wilson....any comment??? Or is this okay, even though it is outside of the rules????
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  • MountainMountain    73 posts
    Fourwhitesocks said:

    If it were banned, wouldn't the horse have been scratched? The herb is found in BNM paste. Which is readily available.

    That's the issue isn't it. It's all hazy to me, he doesn't appear to have administered anything but it sounds like the stewards are fairly convinced of the intent.

    "RV chief steward Terry Bailey said stewards were concerned that Durrant had an alkalizing agent and a bucket in his possession when the CAT arrived at Jason Warren’s Mornington stables where Mr Moet’s is staying during his Australian Cup bid.
    Bailey said an examination of the tack room revealed that Durrant had a herbal treatment called Yunnan Baiyo, which RV chief veterinarian Dr Brian Stewart described as a chinese medicine."
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  • goosegoose    1,638 posts
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yunnan_Baiyao chinese herbalist very clever people by the sounds of it.
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    administering a treatment on race day.......does anymore need to be said..I'd suggest that is all they will get him for..but if found guilty it will be his second offence..But that is a long way away.

    As with all these things the stewards need to be able to do their job..and trusted to do their job properly and then they will act..it is good to see that the stewards and others on the east coast appear to be on their game..time will tell, but it is not a good position to be in for anyone. I hope it is sorted quickly.

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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    moody fined $500 on the same day for a raceday treatment.
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  • rickrick    487 posts
    bye bye Adam
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    rick said:

    bye bye Adam

    doubt it..unless there is more to it, than what we read..altho i think he may get more than Mr Moody
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,482 posts
    one wonders why CAT covertly entered that stables, with a video recorder, just as the accused was "at lt"
    must have got a whiff of something or did our boys say "watch this bloke.."?
    the offence happened on their patch and they are coming down hard on all offences.
    i would not like to be in durrants shoes.

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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    the falcon said:

    one wonders why CAT covertly entered that stables, with a video recorder, just as the accused was "at lt"
    must have got a whiff of something or did our boys say "watch this bloke.."?
    the offence happened on their patch and they are coming down hard on all offences.
    i would not like to be in durrants shoes.


    Small fine thats about it i reckon Falc
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,482 posts
    i bet he hopes you are right!!
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  • tonytony    2,436 posts
    If it is found to be a substance that is not banned then why should Durrant get any harsher penalty than Moody?

    I see Durrant is claiming he was mixing the substance for treatment post race. Have heard that one somewhere before.
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  • JustanLJustanL    356 posts
    the falcon said:

    one wonders why CAT covertly entered that stables, with a video recorder, just as the accused was "at lt"
    must have got a whiff of something or did our boys say "watch this bloke.."?
    the offence happened on their patch and they are coming down hard on all offences.
    i would not like to be in durrants shoes.

    Mate...they hit him with a wet bus ticket here after treatment the day of the Kingston Town, 2+2 does at times equal 4 and if done before will be done again as was proven yesterday( f me why would they not watch him from the last charge..hello blind freddie). Treats race day and caught.... bye bye take a break, Come back and be a real trainer and not a chemist. Still waiting for the first Perth raceday charge???...then again does a bear shit in the woods??, is there a tooth fairy??.

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  • JustanLJustanL    356 posts
    tony said:

    If it is found to be a substance that is not banned then why should Durrant get any harsher penalty than Moody?

    I see Durrant is claiming he was mixing the substance for treatment post race. Have heard that one somewhere before.

    No...NO raceday treatments prior to raceday (24 hours prior). If it aint in the feed they dont get it.
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  • JustanLJustanL    356 posts
    Just an L said:

    tony said:

    If it is found to be a substance that is not banned then why should Durrant get any harsher penalty than Moody?

    I see Durrant is claiming he was mixing the substance for treatment post race. Have heard that one somewhere before.

    No...NO raceday treatments prior to raceday (24 hours prior). If it aint in the feed they dont get it.
    Well ok....unless you train in Perth and we will let you start and belive you.,,Is gastrozol positive to a certain extent??...what dosage is legal and illegal??. Can a steward not advise me please as have always been told by our vet positive...will not let you know they withholding they say.
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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    edited February 2013
    Supposedly no tubing equipment found and it was supposedly being mixed to administer orally no different to moody's stablehand giving his horse vitamins and minerals, $500 fine or its massive hypocrisy. Herbal substance with no banned ingredients he should get a slap on the wrist at most. The key is that there was allegedly tubing equipment if that's the case he's basically in the clear because if they give him anything worse than Moody he takes it to appeal and wins. Funny how another interstate trainer was targeted and not a leading local trainer when are they going to turn up at Bart's on a big flemington raceday or at Moody's on a regular basis or Gai's on a big randwick raceday or Wallers etc. Durrant's obviously told Bailey or whomever to get farked in the inquiry that you've got no idea what you're talking about or something along those lines and as I said before bailey is a egomaniac and wouldn't have liked that but if it'snot a banned substance and no evidence of tubing then there's not much they can pin him on.
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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    Giving them a drink of something that consists of electrolytes and herbs that's a very long bow to draw to consider that as a raceday treatment.
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  • JustanLJustanL    356 posts
    Andrew Carter said:

    Giving them a drink of something that consists of electrolytes and herbs that's a very long bow to draw to consider that as a raceday treatment.

    Bucket had bicarb pre race????. Nah was salts eh??. Treated a horse with a syringe of something pre race..all good??. Pulled the wool over some eyes here, Bailey I hope not ... bye bye as you treated pre race and rules state...can not treat..mate they are the rules and are ther in black and white...he broke them for the 2nd time.
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    they must have turned up at Moody's Andrew...so part of your argument there doesnt really make sense.

    I do agree however that its simply a case of raceday treatment if the substance is not prohibited and the appropriate fine will be handed out. I guess its not cut and dried, which is why they have adjourned it.

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  • JustanLJustanL    356 posts
    The Diva said:

    they must have turned up at Moody's Andrew...so part of your argument there doesnt really make sense.

    I do agree however that its simply a case of raceday treatment if the substance is not prohibited and the appropriate fine will be handed out. I guess its not cut and dried, which is why they have adjourned it.

    Now if I imported the Chinese whatever it is and it helped a trainer become no1 in there state I would have a page size advert on this site, end of the day he treated a horse on raceday for the 2nd time knowing he was not aloud by the rules of racing to do it without advising the stewards of his intentions. Yes many trainers do it but, it is the 2nd time he has been caught. First time was Gastrozol, now Chineses wing wang bang??.Please help the punters somewhere.


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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    Diva I said turned up at Moody's on a regular basis, there is a difference. If Moody gets a $500 fine they can't give durrant anymore than that because arguably Moody's gone closer to violating treatment rules than durrant has providing there's no banned substances and no tubing equipment involved.
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    if it was that simple Andrew it would have been dealt with yesterday, as was Moody's situation..It is either due to his attitude, so they want to make him sweat by investigating things further...or there is something more to it..
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  • senseisensei    100 posts
    Would it take a while for the 'chinese herbal medication' to be analysed?
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    you can be very confident that it is untraceable..the majority of tests only pick up stimulants, barbiturates and artificial additives..there are better testing these days, but the majority of these type of "treatments" don't test up for anything untoward...reason for them being so hard to police..and outlaw
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  • JustanLJustanL    356 posts
    Andrew Carter said:

    Diva I said turned up at Moody's on a regular basis, there is a difference. If Moody gets a $500 fine they can't give durrant anymore than that because arguably Moody's gone closer to violating treatment rules than durrant has providing there's no banned substances and no tubing equipment involved.

    Durrant has a prior mate....Kingston Town day...now whos the smart arse???..him or melbourne stewards. Gives the stewards here lip and gets away with it (seen it with my own eyes), goes over there and ohhh no your just a boy here mate.No1 trainer or No1 chemist???. Perth is so far behind the times, bunch of kids behind the leaders.

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  • JustanLJustanL    356 posts
    Vic rules...no treatment raceday(24 hours prior to start). He broke the rules so let them deal with it...lets see how they deal with the no1 trainer/chemist in perth.
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  • raconteurraconteur    610 posts
    Diva ....of course it is not "cut and dry" - they have to wait on the chemist to tell them what the stuff is - ie if it is just 'herbal" & "..not prohibited" or otherwise ....then, we all follow the bouncing ball which ever way it bounces.
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