Group 2 Herbert Power Stakes (2400m)

PC · October 2013

See below nominations and weights for the Herbert Power Stakes. Mr Moet has been nominated.

Race 9 - Sportingbet Herbert Power Stakes (2400 METRES)
Of $220,000.1st $132,000, 2nd $39,600, 3rd $19,800, 4th $9,900, 5th $5,500, 6th $4,400, 7th $4,400, 8th $4,400 GROUP 2 Quality, Minimum Weight 53kg, Maidens at time of entry are ineligible, Apprentices cannot claim. Field Limit: 16 + 4 EM

	Horse	Trainer	Ballot	Weight	Hcp Rating
1	SEA MOON (GB)	Robert Hickmott	1	59.5kg	113
2	MR MOET	Adam Durrant	2	57kg	108
3	SIMENON (IRE)	William Mullins	4	56.5kg	107
4	TANBY	Robert Hickmott	3	56.5kg	107
5	KESAMPOUR (FR)	Peter G Moody	5	54.5kg	103
6	MOUDRE	Ciaron Maher	6	54.5kg	103
7	BIT OF HELL (IRE)	Mick Price	9	53kg	98
8	GOLDONI (IRE)	David Hayes	12	53kg	87
9	HARTANI (IRE)	Robert Hickmott	14	53kg	95
10	LET’S MAKE ADEAL	Nigel Blackiston	11	53kg	91
11	MASSIYN (IRE)	Robert Hickmott	13	53kg	100
12	MOTIVADO (GB)	David Hayes	10	53kg	93
13	OASIS BLOOM	Peter Morgan & Craig Widdison	8	53kg	98
14	PHANTOM BREW (NZ)	Colin Little	16	53kg	82
15	RUSCELLO (IRE)	Ed Walker	17	53kg	78
16	TREVIERES (FR)	Markus Nigge	7	53kg	99
17	VERDANT (GB)	Robert Smerdon	15	53kg	91

hash · October 2013

outside Moudre & Lloyd's pair, MM is in this up to his eyeballs.. $3.20ish for Sea Moon will no doubt open up fav and MM somewhere under double figures

thefalcon · October 2013

11 of the 17 runners are european, plus on kiwi....what odds one of them wins?

IF sea moons starts, no way MM can beat it with only 2.5kg concession...imvho.

Thoroly_Bread · October 2013

This is his best chance to run a sneaky place fingers crossed.!

PC · October 2013

For those history buffs, here is an historical look at the Herbert Power Stakes - part 1, see below.

Herbert Power Winners: How They Performed in the Caulfield and Melbourne Cups Since 1980

1980: Mr Independant - 17th in CC, DNR in MC

1981: Flashing Light - 5th in CC, 3rd in MC

1982: Carringbush - 4th in CC, 19th in MC

1983: Nostradamus - 11th in CC, 10th in MC

1984: Colonial Flag - 6th in CC, DNR in MC

1985: Fil De Roi - 8th in CC, 4th in MC

1986: Pharostan - 8th in CC, DNR in MC

1987: Cossack Warrior - 3rd in CC, 6th in MC

1988: Congressman - 2nd in CC, 16th in MC

1989: Nayrizi - 2nd in CC, DNR in MC

1990: Just A Dancer - 8th in CC, 12th in MC

1991: Princess Pushy - 17th in CC, DNR in MC

1992: Aquidity- 3rd in CC, 11th in MC

1993: Great Vintage - 11th in CC, 4th in MC

1994: Solo Show - DNR in CC, DNR in MC

1995: Unsolved - 17th in CC, DNR in MC

1996: The Bandette - 16th in CC, 11th in MC

1997: Bonsai Pipeline - 18th in CC, 20th in MC

1998: Magneto - DNR in CC, DNR in MC

1999: Rogan Josh - 4th in CC, 1st in MC

2000: Majestic Avenue - 12th in CC, DNR in MC

2001: Freemason - 10th in CC, 16th in MC

2002: The Secondmortgage - 14th in CC, DNR in MC

2003: Yakam - DNR in CC, 8th in MC

2004: Rizon - DNR in CC, DNR in MC

2005: Leica Falcon - 5th in CC, 4th in MC

2006: Growl - 13th in CC, DNR in MC

2007: Master O'Reilly - 1st in CC, 8th in MC

2008: Dolphin Jo - 15th in CC, DNR in MC

2009: Alcopop - DNR in CC, 6th in MC

2010: Linton - DNR in CC, 21st in MC

2011: Shewan - DNR in CC, DNR in MC

2012: Shawardi - DNR in CC, DNR in MC

DNR - Did Not Run. Covers scratched, not entered or non acceptor.

The last Melbourne Cup winner to run in the Herbert Power as part of it's lead up was Shocking who finished 2nd. Shocking then went on to win the Lexus Stakes (Saab/Hotham) and Melbourne Cup.

The last Caulfield Cup winner to run in the Herbert Power Stakes as part of it's lead up was Master O'Reilly who won the Herbert Power and then backed up the following week and won the Caulfield Cup.

dungy · October 2013

Again apart from Sea Moon they are an average bunch MM should be running top 3 in that also its 2400m which he likes i hope your right Hashy and he is double digits as we could load up eway

PC · October 2013

Historical look at the Herbert Power Stakes - Part 2

Fastest Time (2400m):

Alcopop - 2.27.23 (2009)

Multiple Winners (7):

Durham (1952 and 1953)

Dashing Beau (1950 and 1949)

Easingwold (1924 and 1923)

Anna Carlovna (1914 and 1913)

Alawa (1909 and 1908)

Poseidon (1907and 1906)

Wakeful (1903 and 1902)

Herbert Power Stakes/Melbourne Cup Double (7):

1999 - Rogan Josh

1978 - Arwon

1976 - Van Der Hum

1973- Gala Supreme

1944 - Sirius

1942 - Colonus

1906 - Posiedon

Herbert Power Power Stakes/Caulfield Cup Double (7):

2007 - Master O'Reilly

1970 - Beer Street

1955 - Rising Fast

1953 - My Hero

1907 - Posiedon

1906 - Posiedon

1905 - Marvel Loch

Herbert Power Stakes/Cox Plate Double (1):

1923 - Easingwold

Herbert Power Stakes/Mackinnon Stakes Double (8):

1999 - Rogan Josh

1955 - Rising Fast

1921 - Eurythmic

1913 - Anna Carlovna

1909 - Alawa

1907 - Posiedon

1903 - Wakeful

1902 - Wakeful

Underwood Stakes/Herbert Power Stakes Double (5):

1927 - Royal Charter

1921 - Eurythmic

1914 - Anna Carlovna

1902 - Wakeful

1899 - Australian Star

Turnbull Stakes/Herbert Power Stakes Double (1):

1959 - Mac

Herbert Power Stakes/Moonee Valley Cup Double (2):

1968 - Impetus

1948 - Howe

Herbert Power Stakes/Luxus Stakes (Saab) Double (3):

1956 - Fighting Force

1953 - My Hero

1948 - Howe

Naturalism Stakes/Herbert Power Stakes Double (4):

1955 - Rising Fast

1909 - Alawa

1908 - Alawa

1902 - Wakeful

J.R.A Cup/Herbert Power Stakes Double - since 1995 (1):

2009 - Alcopop

Adeladie Cup/Herbert Power Stakes Double (1):

1959 - Mac

Sydney Cup/Herbert Power Stakes Double (3):

1934 - Broad Arrow

1921 - Eurythmic

1902 - Wakeful

St George Stakes / Herbert Power Stakes Double (4):

1923 - Easingwold

1916 - Cyklon

1911 - Comedy King

1902 - Wakeful

Herbert Power Stakes/Sandown Classic Double (2):

1956 - Fighting Force

1930 - Second Wind

thefalcon · October 2013

you got a hobby, pc??? :-\"

Rogue_Green · October 2013

The Moody horse has been tracking along nicely, may sneak under the radar here with only 54.5kg. Mr Moet has bee the story of "He will get the next race" in every start. Their riding tactics seems to change every week. I hope he does well but im not keen after recent runs.

Chris · October 2013

the falcon said:
you got a hobby, pc??? :-\"

Gotta love passion.

oldhendo · October 2013

Very average field.

RIO · October 2013

the falcon said:
you got a hobby, pc??? :-\"

think we see it weekly...every now and then we even read it!!!!!
;)

LuckyLongshots · October 2013

First run for my MC selection, Simenon, hopefully he has aclimatised to the aussie conditions.

This might be too short for him though - needs the 2 miles!

TheDiva · October 2013

My information is that Mr Moet still working really well. Hasnt really been suited at any of his runs. Was never really going to be suited at the Valley but needed the run there.

This week should be much more to his liking.

LuckyLongshots · October 2013

Moudre has been poor his last two starts, he is becoming a wallet burner (if he wasn't already).

When you get beaten home by Talent Show, you ain't got much left. Sea Moon and co, were making lengths on him at the end of last weeks race!

raconteur · October 2013

Last year's Herbert winner Shawardi - wasn't able to secure a run in the MC !

PC · October 2013

Final Field

Race 8 - 4:20PM Sportingbet Herbert Power Stakes (2400 METRES)
Of $220,000.1st $132,000, 2nd $39,600, 3rd $19,800, 4th $9,900, 5th $5,500, 6th $4,400, 7th $4,400, 8th $4,400 GROUP 2 Quality, Minimum Weight 53kg, Maidens at time of entry are ineligible, Apprentices cannot claim. Field Limit: 16 + 4 EM

No	Last 10	Horse	Trainer	Jockey	Barrier	Weight	Hcp Rating
1	x115x8x002	SEA MOON (GB)	Robert Hickmott	Hugh Bowman	9	59.5kg	113
2	55x45x42x2	SIMENON (IRE)	William Mullins	Kerrin McEvoy	4	56.5kg	107
3	031x53x009	TANBY	Robert Hickmott	Brett Prebble	10	56.5kg	107
4	x114x50x72	KESAMPOUR (FR)	Peter G Moody	Luke Nolen	2	54.5kg	103
5	9x3008x367	MOUDRE	Ciaron Maher	James McDonald	1	54.5kg	103
6	70124x7925	OASIS BLOOM	Peter Morgan & Craig Widdison	Damian Lane	5	53kg	98
7	144x512x09	MOTIVADO (GB)	David Hayes	Stephen Baster	7	53kg	93
8	2x4122x142	LET’S MAKE ADEAL	Nigel Blackiston	Michael Walker	6	53kg	91
9	8724063x34	VERDANT (GB)	Robert Smerdon	Dwayne Dunn	11	53kg	91
10	21x4255x98	GOLDONI (IRE)	David Hayes	Chad Schofield (a)	8	53kg	87
11	584x714531	PHANTOM BREW (NZ)	Colin Little		3	53kg	8

LuckyLongshots · October 2013

Last year's Herbert winner Shawardi - wasn't able to secure a run in the MC !

Think they'd get a better field if they made it an automatic entry race.

If the Lexus is good enough to be exemption free, this race should be!

Exempt races:

VRC Lexus Stakes
VRC Victoria Derby
VRC Mackinnon Stakes
MVRC Cox Plate
MRC Caulfield Cup
Irish St Leger
Tenno Sho (Japan)

LuckyLongshots · October 2013

Last years race:

PC · October 2013

Not sure if people knew this but the winner of the Herbert Power Stakes is not only guaranteed a start in the Caulfield Cup and exempt from the Caulfield Cup order of entry/ballot but also (and this is the good bit), the winner of the Herbert Power CAN NOT GET A PENALTY (EXTRA WEIGHT) for the Caulfield Cup. This is where that uniqueness comes into the Herbert Power and it's alignment to the Caulfield Cup.

However, who ever wins the Herbert Power can be liable for a penalty (extra weight) for the Melbourne Cup at the handicappers discretion.

FACT: The last horse to do the Herbert Power Stakes/Melbourne Cup double was WA's Rogan Josh in 1999. He also won the Mackinnon in between these two races. Rogan Josh dropped 3kg, from the Herbert Power to the Melbourne Cup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1va-8GZ5gus

Wizard · October 2013

@ LuckyLongshots

How do you save the racing video's mate?

Cheers

raconteur · October 2013

PC said:
Not sure if people knew this but the winner of the Herbert Power Stakes is not only guaranteed a start in the Caulfield Cup and exempt from the Caulfield Cup order of entry/ballot but also (and this is the good bit), the winner of the Herbert Power CAN NOT GET A PENALTY (EXTRA WEIGHT) for the Caulfield Cup. This is where that uniqueness comes into the Herbert Power and it's alignment to the Caulfield Cup.

However, who ever wins the Herbert Power can be liable for a penalty (extra weight) for the Melbourne Cup at the handicappers discretion.

maybe so but did not help SHAWARDI last year to get a start in the MC - this race should be ballot exempt race for the Melb Cup

Bondyjnr · October 2013

Im on Verdant at odds

LuckyLongshots · October 2013

@Wizard Use realplayer to download.

How was that for a run by Simenon, just perfect for a tilt at the MC

Wizard · October 2013

LuckyLongshots said:
@Wizard

How was that for a run by Simenon, just perfect for a tilt at the MC

I thought it was a strange ride in the last 200.

Wizard · October 2013

LuckyLongshots said:
@Wizard Use realplayer to download.

I tried but can't record the races. Do I need to join bigpond first?

PC · October 2013

Great performance by Sea Moon - great staying performance. Won with the 59.5kg - the highest winning weight in the Herbert Power in 50 years apparently.

LuckyLongshots · October 2013

Wizard said:

LuckyLongshots said:
@Wizard Use realplayer to download.
I tried but can't record the races. Do I need to join bigpond first?

Which races are you trying to download?

Realplayer has a function called 'realdownloader' which can record/capture videos from streaming sites like Youtube etc. Other option for downloading youtube videos, is to use a site called clipconverter.cc - they allow ripping of videos from youtube also.

Wizard · October 2013

LuckyLongshots said:

Wizard said:

LuckyLongshots said:
@Wizard Which races are you trying to download?
Realplayer has a function called 'realdownloader' which can record/capture videos from streaming sites like Youtube etc. Other option for downloading youtube videos, is to use a site called clipconverter.cc - they allow ripping of videos from youtube also.

I just want to get the Caulfield and Melbourne Cups lead up races. I really het into these two races but can't do much without all the lead up races to review.

I will have another try at recording by following your instructions.

Thanks a bundle mate.

Cheers.

G'day Punter!

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