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The race to 100 winners 2.0 Moreira v Pike

West Australian Racing
therealkramertherealkramer    8,008 posts
edited September 2015 West Australian Racing
Ok it's on again and the wiz is off to a flyer

Pike 22
Moreira 14
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  • jumjum    3,581 posts
    Sorry @therealkramer how can this be serious

    One rides against the best in the world. The other against MUPPETS :-j

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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    very good point jum, but lets not knock Joey cos he chooses to ride in a competitive market!!!!! =)) =))

    We have all been told that Willie is an out and out champion, a genius.. Still amazes me why he is here riding for 1 or 2 Group 1's a year when he naturally performs at a world class level.. :-?? :-?

    It's obvious Willie is our best by a mile, but i just wasn't aware that WA was the centre of the universe in relation to all things to do with Jockey's.

    Wouldn't be surprised if Joey still wins :D

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  • jumjum    3,581 posts
    :))
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  • Thoroly_BreadThoroly_Bread    2,348 posts
    Why would Pike leave he has the cream of the crop here
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    Where did ^^^that question come from?? who suggested Willie would want to leave? He has got it made here, and if he wasn't here then the 2 young fellas that went to Melbourne may actually still be here. But they were never going to get to the top of the pile here, while Willie was here and Harvey and a the handful of senior riders we have were going around.

    If I was Willie, I would be concreting the boots in and not leaving for love or money.

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,485 posts
    why in the hell would he move east.
    for a start 7 day a week racing would tax anybody.
    he makes a very comfortable living here in lil ol' perth..thank you very much...
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  • CarlosaCarlosa    1,287 posts
    To challenge yourself as an elite sportsperson, perhaps??
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  • therealkramertherealkramer    8,008 posts
    Pike 24
    Moreira 17
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,485 posts
    how many race meetings per jockey make those figures?
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  • therealkramertherealkramer    8,008 posts
    @thefalcon It's metro meetings only so it works out about even with HK racing midweek and weekends and Perth mostly the same although they do occasionally throw in the odd provincial meeting midweek. 
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    Carlosa said:

    To challenge yourself as an elite sportsperson, perhaps??

    Spot on it will get you down after a while betting these D graders over here
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  • therealkramertherealkramer    8,008 posts
    Pike 28
    Moreira 17
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  • therealkramertherealkramer    8,008 posts
    Pike 28
    Moreira 18
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  • CarlosaCarlosa    1,287 posts

    This is ridiculous...I know it's just a bit of fun and I shouldn't let it get to me, but it's like comparing Hawthorn FC's season wins with the Ellenbrook FC U12's season wins...

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  • therealkramertherealkramer    8,008 posts
    edited October 2015
    Carlosa said:

    This is ridiculous...I know it's just a bit of fun and I shouldn't let it get to me, but it's like comparing Hawthorn FC's season wins with the Ellenbrook FC U12's season wins...

    I don't necessarily agree. The talent pool of horseflesh is very even in HK so it allows for the best jockey/ride to triumph. Additional to that, most of the racing is handicap/ratings based very little WFA or Group racing and ratings go up and down-Moreira can ride light and is obviously in demand.. Pike can ride the race of his life but if he comes up against a Hot Goods or Kia Ora Koutou, he is riding for 2nd place. I pretty much started this thread last year because Pike looked on track for a ton which despite the dearth of riding talent in WA is still a HUGE achievement-pegging it against Moreira was never really meant to be a claim that he is better

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  • VorgtrafficVorgtraffic    1,755 posts
    edited October 2015
    Pike just needs moreira to ride more often over here and he would have this in the bag

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  • therealkramertherealkramer    8,008 posts
    edited October 2015
    Vorgtraffic said:

    Pike just needs moreira to ride more often over here and he would have this in the bag

    There is no Godolphin in HK :-B
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,485 posts
    the west this morning says pike has ridden 52.5 winners since 1st august...
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  • Thoroly_BreadThoroly_Bread    2,348 posts
    That's correct but only 28 metro winners.

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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    edited October 2015
    the falcon said:

    why in the hell would he move east.

    :-? couple of reasons I can think of.
    To compete against the best
    and
    the prizemoney column below Bowman has about the same wins for rides $-)


















































    Jockey Name 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Prize Money Strike Rate Starts
    William Pike 28 18 16 8 10 $960,825.00 27.70% 101
    Hugh Bowman 28 16 13 12 12 $3,094,430.00 26.40% 106

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,485 posts
    gee, how much would bowman be earning? % aside, slings and maybe his mum punts....

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  • Thoroly_BreadThoroly_Bread    2,348 posts
    Well that's about $155k already just in winnings and about $20k in riding fees at least!!
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  • therealkramertherealkramer    8,008 posts
    the falcon said:

    gee, how much would bowman be earning? % aside, slings and maybe his mum punts....


    :-$
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  • therealkramertherealkramer    8,008 posts
    Pike 29
    Moreira 21
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  • therealkramertherealkramer    8,008 posts
    Pike 29
    Moreira 23
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,485 posts

    how very true, linc.

    that is why most of the successful jocks are of mature years....communication and knowing traditions is paramount.

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  • therealkramertherealkramer    8,008 posts
    edited October 2015
    @lincolnish How many set weight or WFA races are there then? You only prove my point by arguing that networking is just as important as anything. The owners, trainers and punters demand winners. It's that cut throat. That's why Pike, Lane and Boss are back here-they were churned and burned. Whyte, Moreira and Purton will always demand rides but who are HK's pin up horses? Able Friend? Aerovelocity? How often do you see those horses running around?
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,485 posts

    also, Kramer you must remember the jocks must do their own PR...so such thing as "managers" in HK.

    you have to be able to string more than 2 words together...and to sell yourself.

    a lot do not have that talent...the successful ones do.

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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    Lincolnism said:

     but its all in fun and I enjoy checking the leaderboard so keep it up TRK


    :-bd
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  • therealkramertherealkramer    8,008 posts
    Pike 30
    Moreira 23
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