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VillageKid · February 2016

Race 1- Persistent Threat

Race 2- Thats Rite

Race 3- Change Stride

Race 4- Assassinator

Race 5- Leda McNally

Race 6- El Machine

Race 7- Dodolicious

Race 8- Earl Of Charity

Race 9- Alfs Odyssey

Race 10- Glenferrie Rustler

Offthebit · February 2016

Chevrons Champion

Earl Of Charity

The chris lewis double

JayJay · February 2016

Well, once Lisharry handed up to Elegant Christian (from gate 7), it was time to head off to the bar, game over......they may as well have all turned right after a lap and headed back to the stalls. That wasn't a race.

BenWolfenden · February 2016

There are too many races at GP that are far too pedestrian.

Let the favourite roll to the top and see who can finish in the placings.

JayJay · February 2016

Thought it was going to be follow the leader again after Chevrons held up but gutsy stuff from Dodolicious, great run in what was a contest.

Chariotsonfire · February 2016

The Voak Train has run off the rails recently.

Not driving to his ability.

Ridersonthestorm33 · February 2016

Drive of the night..Garry Gray on Riverdale Joker in the first...paying a lazy $155 a win on the tote and $22 for a place slotted in behind the odds on fave , travelled well and never looked like missing the drum.

Chris · February 2016

How many short priced favourites bit the dust last night

Gilgamesh · February 2016

I thought Jocelyn Youngs peg hugging drive on Maximum Demand was sensationalx only possible way she could get it into the money from there while everyone in front of her didnt have the patience.

They've got to do more to handicap the good horses/get them drawing wide to spark a bit of interest, just doing the replays now and its like i'm watching the same race over and over!

The camber they have put on the track has done absolutely nothing for the horses out wide, if anything it has made it worse. When you hit that very last part of the bend in to the straight I reckon you lose a minimum of one length per horse you are of the rail. 5 horses out you are losing 5 lengths. There was a race with 350m to go ever horse was still in their position, looked like they still had a lap to go!

Glad to see The Parade do what she did, always thought she was the best of her group of fillies soming through. Again the non competitive early so of course it was non competitive late.

JayJay · February 2016

Chris said:
How many short priced favourites bit the dust last night

Albany or GP....the first 7 favs won at GP, the last 3 got rolled, down at Albany it was carnage for C D Burch and AF DeCampo....yet she still trained a double.....Aidens most enjoyable drive might be the one back to Bunbury this morning.

Offthebit · February 2016

Lincolnism said:
You blokes are hard to please.

If Lisharry doesn't hand up he doesn't earn. The winner went 1:53:9. If it was a procession its because the winner is a super horse on his night.

The last thing we want, and we've seen it lately, is blokes/girls holding the front on horses best served surrendering.

I want competitive racing but not ludicrously so.

Spot on mate elegant christian is a super horse on his night.

It helps when the driver is actually trying to win, that helps a little bit :D

The two previous drives on the horse were ordinary at best.

JayJay · February 2016

Linc, I respect your opinion, not disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing ...But....Elegant Christian is not known for his gate speed and if it was thought he was going to cross easily and lead from 7, he wouldn't have been a $4 dollar pop...he is a very good horse but has not got great "point to point" speed...not saying he is a lumbering type because his "lumbering" is very fast but he is not explosive and takes time to wind up out of the gate. Once he was given the top so easily, it was game over. I think if Lisharry had held up and lead, it still runs 3rd or 4th (This Time Dylan, driven according to his racing pattern this week unlike at Narrogin may have got him but line ball...a bit hypothetical but very plausible). If Elegant sits in the chair, the next best horse Cyamach probably gets him or it is at least a lot more of a contest. I also don't want ludicrous racing but once he got the top, it was an early shower for the rest of them with Cyamach second. I concede that Dalton may have found a bit more gate speed out of him but I think "super horse" is a bit generous and "hard to please" is a bit harsh.

Gilgamesh · February 2016

Elegant Christian has shown great gate speed this time in I thought.

I'm fine with horses handing up to do their best to earn, I just want to make it harder for the horse that horse to get around there!

I also would like to see one win from the back occasionally but I fear the days of that happening are gone.

Offthebit · February 2016

Lisharry had no choice but to hand up. Elegant christian is a far superior horse and if lisharry had of held the front, he would have finished a long way back and earned zero dollars for his connections.

It was just another smart drive from n turvey.

JayJay · February 2016

So why wasn't Elegant Christian odds on?? If it was so bleeding obvious he was going to lead from 7, he must have been value bet of the night at $3.90 or $4.00. I did not have a bet in the race. Some retrospective wisdom?

VillageKid · February 2016

No one in the state is driving better than Topsy Turvey at the minute in my opinion.

On another note how mouth watering is the Miracle Mile going to be in a couple of weeks. The runs tonight from Have Faith In Me & Arms Of An Angel were astonishing, Monifieth flew home to nab Bling It On & MHC whilst Beautide & Lenny just did as they do having a leisurely stroll in slick time.

JayJay · February 2016

Yes, good exchange of views on EC but is history now.

The Chariots was fantastic....Have Faith In Me runs 1.48.8 after not the easiest run but what did Arms of Angel come home in....had to be sub 26 second quarter. Maybe Adore Me's record won't last that long after all. For breeding students, Macca Kelly and Frith have such great pedigrees and race accordingly ....and Beautide...well he just strolled around doing what Beautide does. Miracle Mile should be something special.

Offthebit · February 2016

JayJay said:
So why wasn't Elegant Christian odds on?? If it was so bleeding obvious he was going to lead from 7, he must have been value bet of the night at $3.90 or $4.00. I did not have a bet in the race. Some retrospective wisdom?

He wasn't odds on because before the race no one knew what the speed map looked like or if a 'stablemate' rort was going to happen. That's why it was a wide open betting race and I really wish we had more races like that on a Friday night.

I had a small investment on elegant christian and I say small because I wasn't sure if he would go back at the start, push forward to the death, or find his way to the front. That's what made it such a good betting race and a wide open market.

Once Lewis got to the death so easily and quickly, he put the acid on turvey and he had no choice but to hand up. If we all had of known that was going to happen well of course EG would have been odds on. But that is exactly my point......no one knew how that race would be run, hence the wide open market.

If 9 out of the 10 races on a friday night were like that I'm pretty sure turnover would go up immediately.

JayJay · February 2016

Yes, I get all that but therein is the problem...one week they go forward, the next they go back from a similar draw, and often against the horses normal racing pattern. Punters may as well play lotto. Whilst there is no consistency of tactics, and granted the draw quite rightly will influence decisions, then betting is hardly being encouraged.

Offthebit · February 2016

JayJay said:
Yes, I get all that but therein is the problem...one week they go forward, the next they go back from a similar draw, and often against the horses normal racing pattern. Punters may as well play lotto. Whilst there is no consistency of tactics, and granted the draw quite rightly will influence decisions, then betting is hardly being encouraged.

I hear what you are saying in respect to horses going forward one week and not the next (James galleon).

Elegant christian had showed good early speed at his previous couple of starts though, so no total surprise to see him work his way to the front.

Gilgamesh · February 2016

I agree with you on the lotto call jayjay. A friday night was my night to just enjoy a punt, i'd spend several hours in the days leading up working out my speed maps and the likely senarios of how the race would play out.

Over the last 6-12 months though i've been finding it so much bloody harder as it has become less about what the horse is capable of and more about what the driver wants to do. The horse from down your way Mon Lillies over the last few weeks is a perfect example, DEG keeping holding up on Moonlight Rockhole or Elegant Christian. Like I said I thought his gate speed had been great this time in BUT it has only been in glympses as there had always been another runner also showing gate speed that the driver on EC didnt want to work too hard, different driver on I think we would have seen a different racing pattern. EC probably should always be looking to push for the top as we've seen from the stands he can do the work and is a superior horse when finding the front but it depends on who the connections are of the horses it is going to be pressuring if it goes forward as to wether it will do it or not. If we could get Chris Lewis to drive every horse in every race it would be great!

So instead of having my usual main bets and then something small every race and kicking back I had one bet friday night on Muscle Torque at $1.70 so a 70% profit but all over by race1. Is that what I want from my friday night racing entertainment? Not really! Then we have a meeting at head quarters on sat and I cant even be bothered having a bet because like you i'm just not confident in what I think is going to happen out there, I felt like I was having to force it looking for something at a price I'd be happy to play at.

I know that this is partly because my interest has waned so i'm just not over the form as well as I once was but there is more to it than that, chicken or the egg if you know what I mean.

JayJay · February 2016

Well put Gil....you have summed it up perfectly...Mon Lillies, James Galleon, This Time Dylan, Moonlight, Mohegan Sun etc going right back to Toretto....."welcome to draw number 673, we welcome government official Mr S.Wonder assisted by Ms H.Keller to supervise...." but problem seems to be very little supervision. I used to love my Friday Night's but of late, have been forcing myself to have 1 or 2 bets as I almost feel "guilty" after 50 plus years ...its been a way of life. Although it has been hot weather, which I don't like driving in, I haven't utilised my membership of GP for some time. Didn't bother having a bet Saturday night, had to be satisfied throwing pies at Prentice on the T.V. Maybe I'm getting too old and too cynical...might just resort to boring others to death with stories of the past. I'm not so naive to think that everything was fine and straight up back then but in my view, it is now getting beyond a joke.

Ridersonthestorm33 · February 2016

All I bet now at the trots are places and trifectas on horses that I think will get soft runs on the pegs behind hot favourites and that's on all of the major tracks around Australia. They don't always run the drum but a significant amount do to sometimes make a small profit. Behind the leader and 3 back the pegs. It cuts back from betting on too many races. Just wait for the longs odds on favourite from barrier 1,2 or 3 and go from there. Enough drivers are awake up to realise that sitting on an odds favourite back means the horse will never leave the pegs and run into the drum. Not rocket science! There was value in those bets several years ago but they pay quite skinny now , still it's better than losing .The other races are too hard to read. Odds on fave with gate speed to lead and the hand up horses drawn to trail are all I'm interested in. The rest of the night just enjoy watching!

worstpunteronearth · February 2016

Riders please stay away from that type of betting... The value has been eaten into my straight out trifecta's in the last few years. It took a long time for people to cotton on.

Ridersonthestorm33 · February 2016

^^So very true... Years ago the trifectas that could pay anything from $70 to $150 on leader leaders back scenario are now paying $20 to $30 if that. Sometimes you get the horse that's runs third at 66/1 from 3 back the pegs paying $7 or $8 a place and the trifecta pays $15! A few years ago that might have paid $70 or $80. Same with fixed odds place bets , the old days of getting $2 or $3 the place about the horse drawn to trail the odds on pop are long gone they are now anywhere from $1.10 to $1.50 and occasionally as we know they miss the place!

AbbysAce · February 2016

What about the trifecta dividend Race 10 GP?

$16 fixed beats $1.50 beats $21 chance.

pays $82.70 I thought it would pay 4 to 5 times that. Or they used to.

Ridersonthestorm33 · February 2016

^^ 0nly paid about $9.70 for a win on the 'billy goat' and came into about $9 fixed odds too.

Offthebit · February 2016

JayJay said:
Well put Gil....you have summed it up perfectly...Mon Lillies, James Galleon, This Time Dylan, Moonlight, Mohegan Sun etc going right back to Toretto....."welcome to draw number 673, we welcome government official Mr S.Wonder assisted by Ms H.Keller to supervise...." but problem seems to be very little supervision. I used to love my Friday Night's but of late, have been forcing myself to have 1 or 2 bets as I almost feel "guilty" after 50 plus years ...its been a way of life. Although it has been hot weather, which I don't like driving in, I haven't utilised my membership of GP for some time. Didn't bother having a bet Saturday night, had to be satisfied throwing pies at Prentice on the T.V. Maybe I'm getting too old and too cynical...might just resort to boring others to death with stories of the past. I'm not so naive to think that everything was fine and straight up back then but in my view, it is now getting beyond a joke.

Jay Jay from someone who has only followed the sport for about half the time as you have, I can tell you your old stories don't bore me. I got sucked into the trots at the tail end of the halcyon days, so to hear stories from back then is quite interesting. Keep em coming!

JayJay · February 2016

Haha, good on you @Offthebit, I'm just about storied out from the "top WA 50 Pacers" thread which was a good chance to chronicle a bit of history, promote a bit of discussion ....all very arbitrary and just lots of different opinions and views...and it sort of morphed from top horses to top trainers and drivers and sadly, was bought back to life everytime one of the old timers passed away. Some stories just can't be told ..wink, wink...others can be "clinically cleansed"....and our memories sometimes get blurred...I had no idea what happened to Three Half Whites after he left WA until I started trawling through the data and low and behold, he raced on until he was 14, so sometimes it is really interesting and throws up surprises. Same when you research a pedigree, what turns up is surprising on occasions. Anyway, if you prompt me with something, I will do my best to search it out. Us grumpy old blokes have to make some contribution to keep the past alive, it the least we can do after a most fortunate life.

AbbysAce · February 2016

Can anyone have a look at Race 2 from friday night and see if C Voak is breaking the whip rules over the last 200?
He mustn't have because not even a caution in the stewards report.

Gilgamesh · February 2016

What is the rule exactly? I count about 22 times, isnt a great look

G'day Punter!

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