MM yearling catalogue is outBreeding

DamienWyer

I think it costs around $23,000 for a private person to breed a horse via a farm as agent from conception to the sales ring if the service fee was $5,000.

Also have a look at the number of Stallions that had their stock passed in. I think there is another story in those numbers as well.

Tivers

Damien Wyer said:

Tivers said:

Damo

Sort them in order for us, and with say a 2 / 3 lot sold min ?

In the interim - without scanning the list - how far ahead is WC ???

Do you know how long that list took to compile ? Get a piece of paper and sort it out yourself, otherwise I can't do it until late tonight as I have a Tennis evening with my son at Midland, and after the week or so I have had, that is far more appealing. I say this in the kindest way of course.

Data / Sort

Tivers

Done it, but can't get it to post

DamienWyer

Courtesy of Tivers.......

Sire Total Lots Sold Passed In Withdrawn Total Price Top Price Average Price

Savabeel (AUS) 1 1 0 0 200000 200000 200000
Denman (AUS) 1 1 0 0 120000 120000 120000
Encosta de Lago (AUS) 3 2 1 0 230000 130000 115000
Medaglia d'Oro (USA) 3 3 0 0 315000 160000 105000
Not a Single Doubt (AUS) 4 4 0 0 420000 130000 105000
Sebring (AUS) 1 1 0 0 100000 100000 100000
Exceed and Excel (AUS) 1 1 0 0 95000 95000 95000
Teofilo (IRE) 1 1 0 0 82500 82500 82500
War Chant (USA) 30 27 1 2 1940000 250000 80259
Lonhro (AUS) 1 1 0 0 75000 75000 75000
Pentire (GB) 1 1 0 0 75000 75000 75000
Snitzel (AUS) 6 3 1 2 190000 70000 63333
Husson (ARG) 3 3 0 0 180000 105000 60000
Choisir (AUS) 11 9 1 1 495000 80000 55000
Starcraft (NZ) 3 1 2 0 55000 55000 55000
Flying Spur (AUS) 2 2 0 0 107000 75000 53500
Oratorio (AUS) 29 17 9 3 642500 230000 53147
Magnus (AUS) 3 2 1 0 106000 75000 53000
Henrythenavigator (USA) 1 1 0 0 52500 52500 52500
Scandal Keeper (USA) 5 5 0 0 252500 85000 50500
Lope de Vega (IRE) 3 3 0 0 150000 75000 50000
Musket (AUS) 5 2 3 0 99500 57500 49750
Reward for Effort (AUS) 2 2 0 0 96000 70000 48000
Magic Albert (AUS) 5 3 2 0 140000 55000 46667
Pitleco (AUS) 1 1 0 0 46000 46000 46000
Kendel Star (AUS) 3 3 0 0 137000 65000 45667
Congrats (USA) 1 1 0 0 45000 45000 45000
Street Sense (USA) 1 1 0 0 45000 45000 45000
Star Witness (AUS) 1 1 0 0 43000 43000 43000
Myboycharlie (IRE) 2 2 0 0 85000 60000 42500
Blackfriars (AUS) 32 26 4 2 1071000 110000 41192
Hinchinbrook (AUS) 1 1 0 0 40000 40000 40000
Monaco Consul (NZ) 1 1 0 0 40000 40000 40000
O'Reilly (NZ) 1 1 0 0 39000 39000 39000
Street Boss (USA) 2 1 1 0 37500 37500 37500
Stratum (AUS) 1 1 0 0 36000 36000 36000
Planet Five (USA) 17 14 3 0 496000 80000 35429
Casino Prince (AUS) 3 2 1 0 69500 47500 34750
Domesday (AUS) 5 5 0 0 160000 55000 32000
Murtajill (AUS) 1 1 0 0 32000 32000 32000
Duke of Marmalade (IRE) 1 1 0 0 31000 31000 31000
Bel Esprit (AUS) 1 1 0 0 30000 30000 30000
Patronize (AUS) 1 1 0 0 30000 30000 30000
Universal Ruler (AUS) 5 5 0 0 149000 42000 29800
New Approach (IRE) 2 2 0 0 58000 32000 29000
Nadeem (AUS) 2 2 0 0 57500 52500 28750
Onemorenomore (AUS) 2 2 0 0 55500 52500 27750
Stryker (AUS) 2 2 0 0 54500 37000 27250
Danehill Express (AUS) 16 9 5 2 240000 40000 26667
Flying Pegasus (AUS) 12 9 3 0 172500 100000 25389
Shaft (AUS) 1 1 0 0 25000 25000 25000
Heritage (AUS) 2 2 0 0 49000 26000 24500
Key Business (AUS) 4 3 1 0 69500 35000 23167
Discorsi (AUS) 17 12 5 0 276500 50000 23042
Saxon (AUS) 5 5 0 0 97500 60000 22600
Hala Bek (IRE) 11 7 2 2 157500 40000 22500
Foreplay (AUS) 3 3 0 0 67000 32000 22333
Time Thief (AUS) 2 2 0 0 44000 40000 22000
Vital Equine (IRE) 15 10 4 1 216000 38000 21600
Demerit (AUS) 23 15 7 1 321500 52500 21433
Alfred Nobel (IRE) 18 10 3 5 211500 60000 21150
Viscount (AUS) 11 10 0 0 211500 70000 21150
Balmont (USA) 1 1 0 0 21000 21000 21000
Haradasun (AUS) 1 1 0 0 20000 20000 20000
Rothesay (AUS) 1 1 0 0 20000 20000 20000
Shrewd Rhythm (AUS) 1 1 0 0 20000 20000 20000
Beneteau (AUS) 3 2 1 0 35000 25000 17500
Von Costa de Hero (AUS) 3 2 0 1 32500 30000 16250
So Secret (AUS) 6 6 0 0 95500 32000 15917
Henny Hughes (USA) 5 4 0 1 62000 44000 15500
Trade Fair (GB) 3 2 1 0 30000 22000 15000
Ad Valorem (USA) 5 3 2 0 44500 25000 14833
Lucky Unicorn (AUS) 4 2 2 0 28000 15000 14000
Fath (USA) 3 3 0 0 35000 13000 11667
Husson Lightning (AUS) 7 5 2 0 47500 14000 9500
Famous Roman (AUS) 1 1 0 0 9000 9000 9000
Dylan Thomas (IRE) 1 1 0 0 7500 7500 7500
Startac (USA) 1 1 0 0 5000 5000 5000
Proart (AUS) 1 1 0 0 2000 2000 2000

Tivers

Locals

Damien Wyer said:

Courtesy of Tivers.......

Sire Total Lots Sold Passed In Withdrawn Total Price Top Price Average Price

War Chant (USA) 30 27 1 2 1940000 250000 80259
Oratorio (AUS) 29 17 9 3 642500 230000 53147
Scandal Keeper (USA) 5 5 0 0 252500 85000 50500
Musket (AUS) 5 2 3 0 99500 57500 49750
Pitleco (AUS) 1 1 0 0 46000 46000 46000
Kendel Star (AUS) 3 3 0 0 137000 65000 45667
Blackfriars (AUS) 32 26 4 2 1071000 110000 41192
Planet Five (USA) 17 14 3 0 496000 80000 35429
Patronize (AUS) 1 1 0 0 30000 30000 30000
Universal Ruler (AUS) 5 5 0 0 149000 42000 29800
Danehill Express (AUS) 16 9 5 2 240000 40000 26667
Flying Pegasus (AUS) 12 9 3 0 172500 100000 25389
Heritage (AUS) 2 2 0 0 49000 26000 24500
Key Business (AUS) 4 3 1 0 69500 35000 23167
Discorsi (AUS) 17 12 5 0 276500 50000 23042
Saxon (AUS) 5 5 0 0 97500 60000 22600
Hala Bek (IRE) 11 7 2 2 157500 40000 22500
Vital Equine (IRE) 15 10 4 1 216000 38000 21600
Demerit (AUS) 23 15 7 1 321500 52500 21433
Alfred Nobel (IRE) 18 10 3 5 211500 60000 21150
Viscount (AUS) 11 10 0 0 211500 70000 21150
Balmont (USA) 1 1 0 0 21000 21000 21000
Shrewd Rhythm (AUS) 1 1 0 0 20000 20000 20000
So Secret (AUS) 6 6 0 0 95500 32000 15917
Henny Hughes (USA) 5 4 0 1 62000 44000 15500
Trade Fair (GB) 3 2 1 0 30000 22000 15000
Ad Valorem (USA) 5 3 2 0 44500 25000 14833
Lucky Unicorn (AUS) 4 2 2 0 28000 15000 14000
Fath (USA) 3 3 0 0 35000 13000 11667
Husson Lightning (AUS) 7 5 2 0 47500 14000 9500
Famous Roman (AUS) 1 1 0 0 9000 9000 9000
Dylan Thomas (IRE) 1 1 0 0 7500 7500 7500
Startac (USA) 1 1 0 0 5000 5000 5000
Proart (AUS) 1 1 0 0 2000 2000 2000

Tivers

Couple of eastern staters down the bottom I couldn't get curser down to

DamienWyer

Sometime after the sales period is over, I will do a look at the ratio between service fee's and median averages achieved in this sale.

SPUDLEY

Just so more of you know who the Love's are they own the school bus runs in Albany and Bunbury plus maybe a bus company in Queensland ( not sure about this one) so they have a bit of money to spend lucky them.

Piston_Broke

Dale said:

lame said:

Damien Wyer said:

What budget for Lot 40 ? He won't cost too much.

$130k not too much?

type is everything. trainers will pay 100k for yearlings by nobodys if it is a ripper. horses are judged on type.

Not to everyone, pedigrees is a huge deciding factor ;)

Piston_Broke

SPUDLEY said:

Just so more of you know who the Love's are they own the school bus runs in Albany and Bunbury plus maybe a bus company in Queensland ( not sure about this one) so they have a bit of money to spend lucky them.

Does Stan Butler still drive for them

SPUDLEY

See Damian bought a nice filly at Adelaide sales $81,000

Legless

:-? Vain on both sides through the dam lines :x

DamienWyer

Thanks guys. Yes she was a nice filly that was keenly contested with Darren Weir being the under bidder. He has the half sister racing on Friday somewhere in Victoria I believe, and it has had a hoof setback I'm told but now is flying. Hopefully it will be another upgrade to the pedigree soon.

In Adelaide, which is a very good sale and an even better facility to visit, I was assisted by Dr Tim Roberts. Tim is Chris Waller's Racing Vet and has been since Chris set up in Australia. They had previously chased Denman's when offered earlier this year on the Gold Coast and in Melbourne, so they were very happy to have this filly join their stable. She is already on the South Coast of NSW for a short rest ahead of being broken in and going through the Waller process.

According to my breeding program, she scored reasonably well, I liked her page and family and made it onto my shortlist of 24 fillies prior to my arrival, and when I viewed her she was elevated to the final cut. She stands currently at 15.1hh but will comfortably make 16hh as the dam is 16.1hh. At $81,000 she was more than I had hoped to pay, but I think she is worth going that little bit further as she is a class yearling.

Other stock that I looked at and liked included Lot 276 a Snitzel Colt that had a huge presence and athletic appeal. I opened the bidding but quickly got swept away and he eventually went for $140,000 topping the sale about twice what I was prepared to go to. On Day Two, I liked a Shinzig Colt that went to Singapore for $45,000 as the equal top selling lot of the day. He being by the same sire as Tirreno, who I purchased in Adelaide last year. In all I had 5 fillies on my final short list and 2 colts.

Next sale is Inglis at Easter.

Here is a link to the filly I bought.

http://ecat.magicmillions.com.au/lot.html?image=/event/0135/upload_images/0135-0112.jpg&title=

lame

nice enough danehill free filly , leaves plenty of options if produces the goods on the track.
only down side missing the 2d on the top half

DamienWyer

http://ecat.magicmillions.com.au/lot.html?image=/event/0134/upload_images/0134-0192.jpg&title=

A nice upgrade to the filly I purchased in February here in Perth by
Snitzel out of Very Grand. The full sister to Very Grand, Tell Someone,
has produced the very talented Gr 2 Phar Lap Stakes winner in Traitor
on Saturday at Rosehill. Traitor has just had six starts for three wins
and a second for $181,675 in stakes.

We haven't appointed a
Trainer at this point in time, as the Snitzel filly needs a little bit
of time to mature in bone development, so there is no rush at the moment
to begin her education and she can enjoy the paddock for a few months
longer.

theketaminekid

looks like a pony

DamienWyer

theketaminekid said:

looks like a pony

Being a Snitzel, she won't be big, as Snitzel isn't large and most of his good stock isn't either. But she will be in excess of 15hh and athletic, so no worries from me. Considering the upgrade via Traitor, with more to come, I think $70,000 was dirt cheap for her breeding and her page. Very Grand's current foal is a Blackfriars Colt, and from the glimpse I got of him, I could be interested in buying him as well. She is in foal again to Snitzel this season and goes back East to be covered this year.

Someone else made a remark on Facebook the day I bought her, saying she wouldn't get to 15hh. Is that you ? I was just curious.

DamienWyer

Can I tell you another expert took me aside, telling me that the nostril size on Magnifisio would hold her back from being a good horse, and that I should set higher standards in my purchasing. She has now won around $400,000 and reportedly offers of up to $500,000 have been declined on top of that.

Just saying.

IntoIt

Unless yours a does a lot of thickening soon cant imagine it being an early comer. Who is the second image of? That looks more  like a sprinter.

theketaminekid

Damien Wyer said:

theketaminekid said:

looks like a pony

Being a Snitzel, she won't be big, as Snitzel isn't large and most of his good stock isn't either. But she will be in excess of 15hh and athletic, so no worries from me. Considering the upgrade via Traitor, with more to come, I think $70,000 was dirt cheap for her breeding and her page. Very Grand's current foal is a Blackfriars Colt, and from the glimpse I got of him, I could be interested in buying him as well. She is in foal again to Snitzel this season and goes back East to be covered this year.

Someone else made a remark on Facebook the day I bought her, saying she wouldn't get to 15hh. Is that you ? I was just curious.

No not me Damien, I hope you are right and wish you all the luck going forward it is a nice looking horse and bred well as you have pointed out, my only knock was that it was a little small when I seen it at the sales.

DamienWyer

Into It said:

Unless yours a does a lot of thickening soon cant imagine it being an early comer. Who is the second image of? That looks more  like a sprinter.

Neither horse is or will be early. The Snitzel

http://ecat.magicmillions.com.au/lot.html?image=/event/0134/upload_images/0134-0192.jpg&title=

will not even go to a breaker before June as she needs time to mature in bone according to Vet advice looking at x-rays. We will be lucky if she is out and about this time next year.

The Denman filly

http://ecat.magicmillions.com.au/lot.html?image=/event/0135/upload_images/0135-0112.jpg&title= ;

purchased in Adelaide is now on the NSW South Coast and will be broken in sometime starting in the next month or so. She also is not considered a 2YO type as such, but t hat determination will be left to Waller Racing.

DamienWyer

We visited Gervase Park yesterday to see the progress of the two fillies purchased in February. The Snitzel out of Very Grand (first two images) has grown a bit, and looking at the dam a couple of paddocks away, I still think she will get to 15.1hh or a smidge more.

The Flying Pegasus filly (third image) is as expected going to be a bigger mare, topping out at 16hh or bigger. She goes to the breaker next week.

Legless

my filly from the feb sales

RIO

is the one on the right related to the one on the left?????? looks like it's already struggling to walk!!!!!
:-))

Legless

yup same girl
=)) just displaying my lack of skill at action photography

Blame the Iphone :))

SPUDLEY

Anyone go to todays sale.

DamienWyer

SPUDLEY said:

Anyone go to todays sale.

Yes, on behalf of a client I purchased Lot 133 a Testa Rossa mare out of Rory's Jester mare called Sister On The Edge. She is in foal to Lucky Unicorn and today she received a nice upgrade when her first foal to run, Skip Tracer by Fath, won Race 1 at Pinjarra. She cost $5,000.

I was the under bidder on a Scenic mare in foal to Blackfriars, Lot 106,  a cross that is prolific in stakes winning in WA, but $10,500 wasn't enough.

I thought Bob Peters got more than a reasonable price for his stock that went through the ring in the first dozens lots. Outside of that there wasn't too many outstanding results.

Dale

just a waste of time, cost more to pay staff than value of horses sold. 95% under $1000. whats the point

Dale

whoever this guy is snagged a massive bargin.    Daniel Rieusset

Tivers

Lots of people snagged massive bargains, but best of luck to them.
That's a few less my staff need to feed tomorrow