"GENIUS" Of THE YEAR AWARD

bookielover · October 2015

It's that time of the year again, where we nominate our "GENIUS" of the year.

Well anyway, I'm nominating one.

I nominate Dave Stanley from Sky Racing.

Stanley has surpassed all expectations and all qualifying conditions, and must be the front runner.

He probably wins it just on his past "genius" utterances. The phony bets. Quoting incorrect percentages for which he stands alone.

And some may say that he deserves the award just for his consistently preferencing every remark about what is happening both on and off course as if no one else has access to the same information with, "I can tell you".

However today, Dave showed both his true brilliance and "genius".

The first race at Rockhampton was won by a horse called Broqualo.

According to Dave, it had been $16.00 in the morning fixed with Tabcorp.

It opened at $5.00 on track and was backed into $3.50.

Now, it may have opened at the $16.00 as Dave "reliably" informed us. But when the move came in the betting ring at Rocky, Dave was having orgasms about the big go.

He isn't alone with the ranting and bluster on Sky when horses shorten, so he doesn't get nominated for that.

It is what he said afterwords which displayed this mans true "genius".

Following the race, his co-presenter another nonentity whose name escapes me, asked Dave, "How big was that plonk on Brequalo Dave".

Dave answered, "it was huge, $16.00 into $3.50 says it all ".

The presenter continues. " How are they feeling down at Tab headquarters, Dave"?

"They would be doing it very hard. You see, it wasn't just the money which was invested at the fixed odds that hurt."

Now wait for this, because this is classic "genius".

He continued. "People forget about the pari-mutuel. That horse was hammered on the Tote, and only paid $3.00. The payout on the Tote was massive, and that hits us just as hard".

Perhaps I am being too harsh on Dave.

It is possible, that he is the only individual in Australia, punter, bookmaker, racing radio commentator, racing writer, and Sky and Channel 78 presenter, who is totally unaware that the TAB take on win and place betting is around 17%, and Tabcorp cannot lose no matter how much is invested on a horse on the Tote.

However, even I cannot believe that he isn't aware that the pari-mutuel deduct a % from the net total of money that is invested on a horse, prior to declaring the final payout dividend.

I now call for any other "Genius" of the year nominations.

Dave is a very hard act to follow, and currently must be lengths ahead of anyone else.

thefalcon · October 2015

how about Geoff Edelston...non racing but what a pathetic case.....gabbi is now divorced...after 4 months... :-O

Aquanita · October 2015

You have nailed it in one BL Dave Stanley is the biggest drop kick on Sky by a country mile.

By the way BL bookmaker Bruce Atkinson passed away last week after an extended illness

A good bloke who was one of the biggest bookies in Australia in the late 1990s early 2000s.

carey · October 2015

never heard of the guy, but he has twitter and the same nonsense.
maybe i could give him a link to his thread v ia twitter!!

https://twitter.com/davestanleysky

therealkramer · October 2015

I nominate Tony Brassel for the low talker of the year award...it reminds me of this one time....

therealkramer · October 2015

carey said:
never heard of the guy, but he has twitter and the same nonsense.
maybe i could give him a link to his thread v ia twitter!!

https://twitter.com/davestanleysky

I prefer this twitter handle. Racing & Seinfeld combined. Now why didn't I think of that?

https://twitter.com/SeinfeldRacing

AndrewCarter · October 2015

Sorry to hear about Bruce.

bookielover · October 2015

Hi Aquanita,

Thank you for informing us of Bruce's passing. I used to bet with him when I was doing business in Perth in the late 80's early 90's both at the trots and on Eastern States races.

I can honestly say that I never saw him smile. he took some massive bets and never appeared ruffled or nervous, always cool and calm.

He had a totally different character to Lucky Khalaf,with whom I enjoyed a great relationship, however, he was always courteous to me and you can't ask for much more than that.

I was shocked to hear that he had retired, as I had seen him only a fewmonths earlier and there was no indication or talk on the track that this was in the wind.

In light of your revelation that he passed away from an extended illness, it maybe that his retirement was not by choice.

my deepest sympathy to his family

bookielover · October 2015

bookielover said:
Falcon, Geoff is in a class of his own as a pickle.

bookielover said:
He's currently living off a mortgage that he took out on his mothers apartment. You can imagine how thrilled she would be about that!!

bookielover said:
The bloke should be certified. I could say a lot more about him, but I'll leave it at that.

thefalcon · October 2015

you hide contempt, jase...i'd like to see that? :))

hows yer bro?

JayJay · October 2015

I'm stretching my memory a bit but I think Bruce started out with Brett Lenton as a penciller or clerk back in the 70's. I think he stepped out on his own at the non TABs in the Eastern Districts before entering that very strong GP ring that we all remember and miss so much. Your spot on BL, an absolute contrast to Lucky but ever the gentleman and beneath the parsimonious/school master appearance, a dry as a bone sense of humour.

Chariotsonfire · October 2015

I concur with all the comments re Dave Stanley who seems to be a protected species on Sky, however I am not sure you should be potting him in on here Linc given that you may wish to pursue a career in the same space.

SLIPPERGOLDEN · October 2015

Frankly I could do a better job than those mentioned on here.

Hey at one time I applied for a job on racing radio and was given some lame excuse for being rejected. At the time they appeared to be only employing females. No surprise I missed out. I back myself against any of the staff on that station including the main player. Suffice to say I earn more than all of them combined with my business and was only applying because of my love for the industry.

I would also back myself against Dave Stanley and the others but I have no interest in moving over to the far east.

SLIPPERGOLDEN · October 2015

I tried to edit that previous post but without success. It reads as egotistical. Poor effort on my part. It probably makes me a contender for genius of the year now :D

SLIPPERGOLDEN · October 2015

I should add that all at Sky and RR are doing their best and for the most part do a very good job providing the service that is available to us.

sonny · October 2015

A well known Sydney trainer once said, Press people are poor punters who have no idea about racing and wagering,

AndrewCarter · October 2015

You get what you pay for and for the most part unless you're one of the top guys they don't pay all that much apparently.

sonny · October 2015

Hi Andrew, Who would be one of the top guys? Thanks

AndrewCarter · October 2015

Sorry top personalities.

SLIPPERGOLDEN · October 2015

Well played Rio!.

SLIPPERGOLDEN · October 2015

Andrew is correct regarding payment.

bookielover · October 2015

This isn't exactly on point, but could someone get Warren Huntley of Channel 78 and 522 on Foxtel, an oxygen tank.

I have never heard a bloke gasp for air as much as he does while talking.

:-&

bookielover · October 2015

It's officially confirmed. Dave has won the award hands down with this comment prior to a race at Mortlake.

Beginning with the obligatory "I can tell you", he then said "this horse Caniwin, (which by the way was 3.00 into 2.50 in the ring) has firmed 56% from 4.60 into 2.60".

Anyone who understands % will know that 4.60 is about 23% in a 100% market, and 2.60 is around 44%. That's a difference of 21%.

How do these blokes get a job

:-O

carey · October 2015

it something moves from 25% to 50% do you reckon it has firmed 25% or 100%???
3/1 is only going to win half as often as 1/1

10% to 35% = 25% or ..........

depends on how you look at it, as to what is right or wrong.

bookielover · November 2015

Dave Stanley does it again.

Sky shows us a picture of Murray Bridge. Around 20 blokes in green vests are standing in front of the inside running rail which has blown over.

Stanley, tells us that "as you can see, it's a pretty hazy day at Murray Bridge. Let's cross to Terry Mcaullife our caller".

As we cross over, Terry tells us that the running rail has blown over and that there is an indefinite delay.

Back to Dave who says, "we couldn't see that the rail had blown over because Sky was taking the picture from above the rail" Whatever the fk that meant.

No Dave, you couldn't see the that the rail had blown over, probably the only person in Oz watching the coverage who couldn't see it, because you are a complete goose.

Carey, I have just seen your post.

Bookies percentages are always based on a 100% market, which is not aligned to the mathematics we were taught in school.

So even money, is 50% in such a market, and 3/1 is 25%. That is a 25% differential in the 100% market. If you are a punter who makes a punters book, then those are the % that you rely on in your calculations.

If you are going to adopt the example you gave that it might have firmed 100%, don't bother having a bet.

I note that someone must have pointed out to Dave that he doesn't know what he's talking about, because he doesn't do it anymore.

hash · November 2015

you really have it in for this poor bloke don't you... he's a dragons fan in the NRL I do know that.... who may you support lol

georgecantstandya · November 2015

hash said:
you really have it in for this poor bloke don't you... he's a dragons fan in the NRL I do know that.... who may you support lol

There's no vendetta like a PTT vendetta...just ask D-Mac :)]

bookielover · November 2015

Hash, I live in Melbourne and don't really follow Rugby League. I'm a Carlton supporter in the AFL.

I suppose I'm happy when I hear Melbourne Storm beat any team up North.

:D

As far as having it in for Dave is concerned, Hash and George, Sky make a habit of employing people who have got no idea what they are talking about.

The rubbish which he used to inflict upon the punters about percentages, even though there are some on here who actually think he was talking sense, so at least he's got company, put Dave at the top of the list.

I know that some might say that I have the option of turning off the sound. I have a mate of mine who was deaf as a doorpost until he received one of those Cochlear Implants. The difference it has made to his life is amazing.

As he said to me, people who can hear have no idea how much not having that sense means.

I used to turn off annoying commentators, but after he told me that, I no longer do. I was, like the majority of the worlds population, blessed with the ability to hear.

Watching the delight in my mates face since he received that implant and no longer has to read lips, has ensured that I will never take for granted the fact that I am able to hear. So no mute button for me.

If that means putting up with the Dave Stanley's of the world, so be it.

carey · November 2015

bookielover said:

Carey, I have just seen your post.

Bookies percentages are always based on a 100% market, which is not aligned to the mathematics we were taught in school.

So even money, is 50% in such a market, and 3/1 is 25%. That is a 25% differential in the 100% market. If you are a punter who makes a punters book, then those are the % that you rely on in your calculations.

If you are going to adopt the example you gave that it might have firmed 100%, don't bother having a bet.

I note that someone must have pointed out to Dave that he doesn't know what he's talking about, because he doesn't do it anymore.

dave whoever he is, may not know what he is talking about, but i do.
if something goes from 3/1(25%) to evens(50%) it has firmed 100% in my mind, so maybe i am as dumb as dave is!.
your old man may have been a bookie, but i have spent a lifetime lifting their money, even if they didn't know it was me doing it.
your other problem is that the markets are not framed to 100%, but far far more, so even using your logic it is wrong.

i happen to know most of the people(one of them...a physicist friend, used to come racing with me) behind the cochlear implant invention(it was invented right here in melbourne, and i had met the first ever recipient rod saunders several times), and also know that while it is unusual for somebody not to get at least some benefit from it, that the results are very variable.
i would be surprised if your mate does not resort to lip reading sometimes, especially if there is background noise.

thefalcon · November 2015

i'll bet your physicist friend is now a VERY wealthy man, carey.....and not from the punt.

carey · November 2015

I guess he would have a fair whack, but it won't have come from the cochlear implant as such.
He now runs a company making top quality hearing aids available to the public, without the price tag to match, and last time I saw him he was a director of the Bionic Ear Institute that was responsible for the cochlear implant and all the research involved.
Nowadays they are busy trying to make quadriplegics walk, rather than just involved in hearing research, and other stuff too I believe.

But I have never thought of him as having money, he is just a friend that I am in awe of, as he is easily the most intelligent person I have ever met.
Although, strangely when he was on the race track with me, I used to think he was decidedly stupid as far as that topic goes.
He also won a Clunies Ross Award last year or the year before, as well as umpteen other scientific awards for mostly hearing related work.

G'day Punter!

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