Delicacy

bookielover · January 2016

It mightn't have had the cobalt infusion that day it failed, Andrew.

Then again, the cobalt may have caused the cardiac problem.

Who knows??

:-S :-S

thefalcon · January 2016

all this b*llshit about her modern day weight carrying record for a mare......those old records are when the race was over 3200m....its insignificant.

not knocking the win...she was magnificent but it ain't no record.!!

Jordan · January 2016

Disposition won a Gr3 in Melbourne she's a few lengths better then him so a group win in a Melbourne in one of the big features is a definite chance

AndrewCarter · January 2016

Agree especially with the minimum being 54kg.
The minimum when Saratov went around would have been 51kg I reckon at the absolute highest from memory and that's being very conservative it probably would have been more like 49kg I would think.

Not denigrating her win at all which was outstanding under the circumstances but apart from the few genuine class horses the rest were camels and wouldn't have been competitive with 51kg, let alone 54kg.

AndrewCarter · January 2016

You can bet your life the minimum would have had more to do with rider availability at that weight more than anything.
At anything much lower than apart from young inexperienced apprentices who shouldn't be riding in those races you would be struggling to find jocks for a lot of them I would think.
To be fair if they were on 51 or 52kg which in reality should have been the absolute most some of those camels were carrying many of them wouldn't have had riders, then what do you do?

bookielover · January 2016

I'm just wondering. This is a question to all who are participating in this discussion.

How many horses do you think would have contested the race had it still been run over 3200. Would Delicacy have started in it, and if so, what weight would she have received.

Do you think the Perth Cup has lost some of its glamour and allure because of the distance change?

Which race is a better spectacle. The Adelaide Cup over the two miles, or the Perth Cup?

Why do you think that Eastern States horses will travel to Adelaide for their cup over the 3200, and for less prize money, and won't come to Perth to race over the shorter distance and more prize money?

And, finally.

Do any of you think that the Board at Perth racing will actually sit down and ponder these questions and see if they need to change the conditions and distance of the race in an attempt to attract the best available stayers racing in Australia at this time of the year, or will they sit on their hands and do nothing?

I have to go out now, but will be interested to read your opinions, if any, when I get back.

Tivers · January 2016

"Why do you think that Eastern States horses will travel to Adelaide for their cup over the 3200, and for less prize money, and won't come to Perth to race over the shorter distance and more prize money?"

It is distance yes..................a few hundred km to drive to RAdelaide, or a few thousand km's to fly to Perth.

No contest.

Ridersonthestorm33 · January 2016

@Andrew Carter the minimum weight when Saratov won the 1989 Perth Cup was 49.5kg and the 3 year old in the race Brooklyn Dodger carried 49kg.

Ridersonthestorm33 · January 2016

Some of the jockeys that rode in Saratovs 1989 Perth Cup....Sestich , Jackman, Bennier , Millington, Hughes , plus John Marshall and John Duggan from NSW and Brent Thomson from Victoria just to name a few. Great memories with those hoops.

loose_goose · January 2016

Murmurs coming out on Twitter Delicacy has heat in both tendons, may have broken down, may have run last race. All speculation at this point

Rodent · January 2016

In 1993 the 3yo Field Officer won the 3200m Perth Cup for Bob Peters ridden by Peter Knuckey at 46.5kg!

AndrewCarter · January 2016

Thanks I was pretty sure it would be something along those lines but didn't want to put up with all the crap I would have got from idiots if I had posted it was that and was wrong and I really couldn't be bothered checking.

You can't really blame jockeys for wanting to ride at higher weights and overall the population is bigger, some would say they have it soft, too soft now but you only to think about how the likes of poor Simon Marshall ended up at the finish of their careers and how horrified doctors were when they tested his bone density.

I know the likes of Sestich used to get all sorts of weight loss stuff from my uncle's pharmacy and Sestich wouldn't have been the jockey only doing that sort of thing back then.

The various jockeys association also do have have a great deal of power and influence now which is why limit weights have continually been raised.

Gilgamesh · January 2016

https://www.punters.com.au/news/Possible-retirement-looms-for-Delicacy_142250/

sniper · January 2016

Shame! greed is good in some peoples eyes, seriously a Perth Cup G2 in which they would have won anyway. This filly was a definite Melbourne Group 1 winner, either in Autumn or Spring but yet they won a Perth Cup in which the Eastern States will never recognise, she was the horse to put WA on the map again, I am really quite devastated about this.

thefalcon · January 2016

so am I, sniper. I mentioned on here a few times that I thought she would be withdrawn....bigger fish to fry, hot day, 59kg.

she could have been uncomfortable in the rum and still put up an exceptional performance..i tips me lid.

bookielover · January 2016

Always happens to the really good horses.

They give their all and suffer for it. We never saw the best of Black Caviar after she hurt her back. at her second start I think it was. Who knows how much better she could have been and how many more races she would have won.

When she won at Ascot, she hadn't been 100% all week, the jockey fkd up, and she still won.

Anyway, it appears my wish to see Delicacy against Winx at WFA is never going to happen.

BlacksAFake · January 2016

Another Lords Ransom sadly

Rex · January 2016

If there is a problem with her I think she is in the best of hands with Alana & Grant. They live for the horses and if there is a problem it will be looked after in the best interest for the horse.

Lets hope that when the horse is scanned the injury is not as bad as it may have been.

AndrewCarter · January 2016

Terrible bad luck, Bob would be kicking himself for running her now when his original thoughts straight after the Cox Stakes were that she wouldn't run if she got 59 kgs or something along those lines.

Unusual for Bob not to back his own initial judgment as he normally errs on the side of caution in those situations.

Wouldn't be surprised if she injured herself when she had to very quickly and acutely change direction in order to avoid that camel Kirov Boy collapsing back in its lap.

I like Danny and I don't begrudge him to be still riding but surely the same rules of riding to fulfill the best possible placings have to apply to him the same as it does to any other jockey???

It's not the first time one of his front running rides have collapsed in the laps of others as well, looks great when it comes off but that doesn't happen too often.

Nothing wrong with leading boldly, there is something wrong however when horses are overridden in front however or beyond their capabilities and then cause interference when they stop as though shot,

AndrewCarter · January 2016

I love Delicacy but Winx in the form it has displayed consistently since winning the sunshine coast guineas would give it windburn.

Ridersonthestorm33 · January 2016

Talking of Kirov Boy was surprised how many of the media had him in there top 4.

AndrewCarter · January 2016

I think it speaks volumes about their knowledge of racing and form.

CPL · January 2016

Northerly, manikato,Kingston town.
If any of us owned her she'd mean more to you than heaven its self.
She's a beauty.

BobbyDavis · January 2016

Agree 100% re Danny Miller's ride on Kirov Boy. The horse was ridden aggressively to get to the lead while the pace was steady. It hasn't been displaying its past dash yet he has forced it to bust a gut, therefore it had begun to fade badly before they even straightened!
I'm all for showing him respect for his results, longevity and nice nature but surely the rules that apply to everyone else need to apply to him too. Kirov Boy clearly was not given every opportunity to obtain the best possible finishing position in the race.

Piston_Broke · January 2016

the falcon said:
all this b*llshit about her modern day weight carrying record for a mare......those old records are when the race was over 3200m....its insignificant.
not knocking the win...she was magnificent but it ain't no record.!!

G Webster Snr was overheard saying after he won the Perth Cup on Royal Coral with 8-6 he following year he had to carry 9-6 just got beat by Special Reward who had 7-6

And they had to raise the minimum weight this year to make it more fair

5 kg between top and bottom

DISGRACEFUL

Darkhorse · January 2016

Are you guys sure it wasn't PR`s fault,maybe the handicapper, or just that the curator only put 10mm of water on before race day.

Injuries just happen to all types of sports persons and animals

Good horse gone to breed , it will happen to most..

therealkramer · January 2016

bookielover said:
Always happens to the really good horses.

They give their all and suffer for it. We never saw the best of Black Caviar after she hurt her back. at her second start I think it was. Who knows how much better she could have been and how many more races she would have won.

When she won at Ascot, she hadn't been 100% all week, the jockey fkd up, and she still won.

Anyway, it appears my wish to see Delicacy against Winx at WFA is never going to happen.

A minor muscle tear is now known as a '**** up' back? Spare me. Hay List was a virtual cripple for much of his career and he didn't avoid anyone. There was nothing wrong with her when they decided against contesting the Newmarket with 61.5kg.

As for Delicacy's future? Let's wait and see. I'm not a Veterinarian and I suspect no one on this site is, either.

PC · January 2016

Is Delicacy ability wise as good as Scenic Shot and Rogan Josh??

runyon · January 2016

Andrew Carter said:
Thanks I was pretty sure it would be something along those lines but didn't want to put up with all the crap I would have got from idiots if I had posted it was that and was wrong and I really couldn't be bothered checking.

You can't really blame jockeys for wanting to ride at higher weights and overall the population is bigger, some would say they have it soft, too soft now but you only to think about how the likes of poor Simon Marshall ended up at the finish of their careers and how horrified doctors were when they tested his bone density.

I know the likes of Sestich used to get all sorts of weight loss stuff from my uncle's pharmacy and Sestich wouldn't have been the jockey only doing that sort of thing back then.

The various jockeys association also do have have a great deal of power and influence now which is why limit weights have continually been raised.T

To get an idea of the weight of jockeys in years gone by.

1952 Perth Cup

Field of 24 - Weight converted to kgs

Top Weight 52kg, Minimum 44.5kg

19 Runners Under 50kg, 7 Runners On The Minimum

Tivers · January 2016

Yes, for a cup it's probably not right that there's a 53(54)kg min for starters

G'day Punter!

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