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Picked up the latest  TABForm this morning and what a let down.

Same price - poorer quality.

Format is less readable, Sunday's racing (apart form Pinjarra) has disappeared, no form comments for lesser meetings, can't find the photo finishes from previous meetings and so on. No doubt they were hoping we would all drool over the new giddy-up feature.

My suggestion - go back to old format and charge more or simply don't bother.

What was once the best Australian wide form guide in the country, is now just an also run.

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  • spinkingspinking    4,001 posts
    Agree 100% Swoop what a joke this form guide is now are there not races anywhers in AUST  Sunday but Pinj
  • spinkingspinking    4,001 posts

    After a further look no stewards report etc .This has now become exspensive toilet paper , what a load of crapolla. As you said Swoop go back to the old format or don't bother

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  • buffybuffy    277 posts
    The form comments are total rubbish. Hard not to like him, can make make a case for it etc etc. What fkn nonsense. All they are trying to do is save money by serving up this nonsense but still want you to bet with them. And where is the photo form?

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  • GrayGray    4,090 posts
    edited January 2017
    I did a survey a few weeks ago on the new format and I particularly mentioned, uncramming the pages and making fields so small you could hardly read the start times let alone the form. I also asked for 1 page 1 meeting format in the selections they were asking me to pick from. Looks like a mish mash of junk now made by people who do not have a punt therefor little knowledge of whats needed by the punter these days.

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,486 posts

    its crap..watch the t/over go down.

    they've even scrapped the alphabetical listings.

  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    as a form comment, what does "not none" mean? 

  • RodentRodent    7,470 posts
    TheDiva said:

    as a form comment, what does "not none" mean? 


    some
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    Rodent said:

    TheDiva said:

    as a form comment, what does "not none" mean? 


    some

    =D>  Ill pay that, well done! 

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  • GrayGray    4,090 posts
    That was another thing I pointed out in the survey, the generic form comments are stupid and repetitive in most cases.
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,486 posts
    no distances won over....just J.Noske.....could be either...ever seen a $5001 shot?

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  • sonnysonny    1,552 posts
    I have a good excuse to give up punting now..
  • luapluap    45 posts
    This has to be a one off "Prosh" version of the Tabform.
  • GrayGray    4,090 posts
    Albany did not make west form Friday or saturday
  • tofarkennardtofarkennard    191 posts
    WHO'S responsible for that crap !!! no gear changes no owners names poor buggers pay bill so we got something to bet on no beaten margins on perth runners only winners margin! no prices Albany no colours Albany print so small should supply a magnfine glass with every copy no wet/dry track form cant back a local stable as no trainers locations had a few beers with some long time punters who also think its worse tabform ever printed ! most punters I know dont give a f $#@@ about any rating system giddy up included punting about getting as much information possible and forming your own opinions if they keep dishing up this shit may as well go back to writing the jockeys name up on chalkboard on race days !! im going to email my displeasure to tabform today I think we should all do same lets try to get the the old formated tabform back!
  • silkysilky    430 posts
    Agreed terrible
  • psychopsycho    886 posts
    The West Australian/Tabform should hang their heads, all comments above are correct. The turn/finish pictures have been around since the flintstones were on tv, bring them back, can evryone please email the west australian and insist on some of these features coming back. Expensive toilet paper was quoted above- Thats about all it is now

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  • tofarkennardtofarkennard    191 posts
    Just sent my email !
  • spinkingspinking    4,001 posts
    Doing the form for Pinji Tofarken. to lazy to look for the address post the email address here for all of us lazy bastards . So we can let them know of our displeasure

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  • psychopsycho    886 posts
    thewest.com.au is where I sent mine ?

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  • psychopsycho    886 posts
    [email protected] is to the "chief of staff" 

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  • tofarkennardtofarkennard    191 posts
    Thanks^^
  • TorpedoPuntTorpedoPunt    1,891 posts
    Newspapers are only good for wrapping up fish n chips nowadays.

    Nobody reads them, time to move on.

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  • tofarkennardtofarkennard    191 posts
    Yeah no one reading them any more! !! How would you know everyones prefrance go to the races see how many punters have a race book bestbets or a tabform in tow ....u want to keep a eye on ya cholesterol sounds like u spend to much time in the fish n chip shop n not enough in the real world !

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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    How many punters at the races????
  • tofarkennardtofarkennard    191 posts
    Ok diva lets word it better of the punter that are at the races a high majority of them in my opinion would be using some form of printed press to do there form !!! this thread is supposed to be how ordinary the new tabform.is the people who have written about it obviously read n use the paper regularly or they would not give a f#@! I might start a thread titled lets talk sh#* and u people who wish to throw ya 2bobs worth of irrelevant crap in can stay on that thread n leave the ones of us who are passionate about what is happening in racing in peace !
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,486 posts

    not allowed to use newspaper in the chippie any more...the health police have acted!!

    I've just shot an email off to wanews.

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  • JayJayJayJay    8,624 posts
    My email contribution just sent:

    Good afternoon,
    I am a home delivery subscriber to the West (in
    Manjimup),  and organisations claim they like feedback, so here is my
    throw at the stumps.

    Firstly, I acknowledge that Gloucester Park
    and Harness racing no longer holds the place it once did in the sporting
    heirachy....no argument. However, it still attracts a lot of patronage,
    especially to big nights, has high TAB turnover and employs thousands
    of industry participants, many more than other sports that receive vast
    coverage in your paper. The lack of recognition for Chris Lewis's
    amazing achievement of driving his 5000th winner, one of only 3 in
    Australia to do see, was in my view absolutely insulting, to both him
    and the Industry. A 4 line, 20 odd word mini paragraph at the tail end
    of a story on thorough bread racing was extremely disappointing. This is
    in keeping with the West's very diminished coverage of Harness Racing
    in general but I thought an exception may have been made.

    Similarly,
    to not even have a form guide and fields listed in the racing segment
    on Saturday for the Northam Pacing Cup was equally astonishing. Why the
    guide is prepared to promote race fields and turnover on race meetings
    in provincial Victoria or NSW and completely ignore, on this weekend,
    both Busselton and Northam is beyond my understanding. The Busselton
    holiday carnival draws large crowds and creates great interest yet to
    read the West, you would not  have known the event was on. Ditto the
    time honored Northam Cup won by so many champions of the past.

    The
    Friday night guide printed in each Friday edition, with Ernie Manning's
    tips and the excellent information from Trent Cooper is ...shall I say
    was...very good ....until the guide adopted the ridiculous and
    completely off the beam Giddy Up guide, comment and prices. To say that
    Giddy Up doesn't even come close with its puerile, disingenuous "prefer
    others" or each way chance....which it provided for a horse priced at
    $1.45 the other day....along with suggested prices that don't come
    within light years of actual starting prices...is truly an
    understatement. I believe they are Eastern states based, I also believe
    them to be clearly so far off the mark as to be completely useless.

    Let me illustrate with some of there pricing from the Magic Millions meeting at the Gold Coast on Saturday:

    Race 1 Ajani  Price:  $41          Paid $10.50
    Race 4 Stratum Star  $10        Paid $3.30
    Race 5 Private Secretary $21  Paid $4.80
    Race 7 Flying Jess    $151      Paid $63
    Race 9 Target In Sight $17      Paid $8.60

    Amongst
    those that fancy a punt, they are an absolute joke, not just my
    opinion, go to the Perth Turf Talk forum and read the comments on Giddy
    Up Garbage. Similar downgrading of TAB Form has also been heavily
    criticised on this forum, the removal of turn and finish photographs,
    disappearance of gear changes and completely point less form guide
    comments.

    I am probably dreaming that the days of personal
    interest stories on Harness racing by the likes of Gino De Mori or the
    peerless John McGrath, accompanied by photographs by Barry Baker, or
    even some articles and photographs in the Saturday edition of the West
    covering important night, rather than results hidden in way in tiny
    print amongst a plethora of other results from Timbuktoo to Tonapar ,
    are long gone...and that this email will probably have no outcome on
    future coverage. However, I do feel that Chris Lewis deserved far better
    treatment than he received. There are eminent trotting historians such
    as Alan Parker or Ken Casellas....I 'd even have a throw at the stumps
    if you asked...gratis.....who could provide you with all the detail
    required and I am sure that Ernie Manning, one of the nicest blokes who
    ever drew breath, would gladly welcome their input. It's not too late
    you know...the West Magazine maybe.

    Anyway, thank you for taking the time to read my email, I hope for improved outcomes in the future.
  • loose_gooseloose_goose    2,135 posts
    JayJay said:

    My email contribution just sent:

    Good afternoon,
    I am a home delivery subscriber to the West (in
    Manjimup),  and organisations claim they like feedback, so here is my
    throw at the stumps.

    Firstly, I acknowledge that Gloucester Park
    and Harness racing no longer holds the place it once did in the sporting
    heirachy....no argument. However, it still attracts a lot of patronage,
    especially to big nights, has high TAB turnover and employs thousands
    of industry participants, many more than other sports that receive vast
    coverage in your paper. The lack of recognition for Chris Lewis's
    amazing achievement of driving his 5000th winner, one of only 3 in
    Australia to do see, was in my view absolutely insulting, to both him
    and the Industry. A 4 line, 20 odd word mini paragraph at the tail end
    of a story on thorough bread racing was extremely disappointing. This is
    in keeping with the West's very diminished coverage of Harness Racing
    in general but I thought an exception may have been made.

    Similarly,
    to not even have a form guide and fields listed in the racing segment
    on Saturday for the Northam Pacing Cup was equally astonishing. Why the
    guide is prepared to promote race fields and turnover on race meetings
    in provincial Victoria or NSW and completely ignore, on this weekend,
    both Busselton and Northam is beyond my understanding. The Busselton
    holiday carnival draws large crowds and creates great interest yet to
    read the West, you would not  have known the event was on. Ditto the
    time honored Northam Cup won by so many champions of the past.

    The
    Friday night guide printed in each Friday edition, with Ernie Manning's
    tips and the excellent information from Trent Cooper is ...shall I say
    was...very good ....until the guide adopted the ridiculous and
    completely off the beam Giddy Up guide, comment and prices. To say that
    Giddy Up doesn't even come close with its puerile, disingenuous "prefer
    others" or each way chance....which it provided for a horse priced at
    $1.45 the other day....along with suggested prices that don't come
    within light years of actual starting prices...is truly an
    understatement. I believe they are Eastern states based, I also believe
    them to be clearly so far off the mark as to be completely useless.

    Let me illustrate with some of there pricing from the Magic Millions meeting at the Gold Coast on Saturday:

    Race 1 Ajani  Price:  $41          Paid $10.50
    Race 4 Stratum Star  $10        Paid $3.30
    Race 5 Private Secretary $21  Paid $4.80
    Race 7 Flying Jess    $151      Paid $63
    Race 9 Target In Sight $17      Paid $8.60

    Amongst
    those that fancy a punt, they are an absolute joke, not just my
    opinion, go to the Perth Turf Talk forum and read the comments on Giddy
    Up Garbage. Similar downgrading of TAB Form has also been heavily
    criticised on this forum, the removal of turn and finish photographs,
    disappearance of gear changes and completely point less form guide
    comments.

    I am probably dreaming that the days of personal
    interest stories on Harness racing by the likes of Gino De Mori or the
    peerless John McGrath, accompanied by photographs by Barry Baker, or
    even some articles and photographs in the Saturday edition of the West
    covering important night, rather than results hidden in way in tiny
    print amongst a plethora of other results from Timbuktoo to Tonapar ,
    are long gone...and that this email will probably have no outcome on
    future coverage. However, I do feel that Chris Lewis deserved far better
    treatment than he received. There are eminent trotting historians such
    as Alan Parker or Ken Casellas....I 'd even have a throw at the stumps
    if you asked...gratis.....who could provide you with all the detail
    required and I am sure that Ernie Manning, one of the nicest blokes who
    ever drew breath, would gladly welcome their input. It's not too late
    you know...the West Magazine maybe.

    Anyway, thank you for taking the time to read my email, I hope for improved outcomes in the future.

    Unfortunately JJ & by the way great e-mail, those in charge at the West these days I presume would not have a clue who Gino, John or Barry were or even care less.

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  • geraltofriveageraltofrivea    16 posts
    edited January 2017
    Not going to comment on TABform because it's all been said, but I think some people are confused about what Giddy-Up actually is... As far as I know the odds they give are meant to represent what chance they think it is to win, not what odds they think it's going to jump at. So in this case Stratum Star jumped at $3.30, but Giddy-Up thought it was a $10 chance to win.

    Whether or not their predictions are good or not I don't know, perhaps one race-day I'll back their favourite in every race and see.

    Look forward to many more discussions in the future everyone 

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  • tofarkennardtofarkennard    191 posts
    Beautiful work jay jay .....keep the emails going guys let em know how passionate about this we are !

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