Pinjarra 9th April

detonator · April 2017

dungy said:

detonator said:

sonny said:
I thought team driving was only for the trots..

Worse case of team riding I have seen in a long time.
Both Zarantz and Dark Alert both ridden upside down compared to last runs.
Bob gets the result he was looking for.
The money on the winner was there for a reason.
Another example of the authorities lack of backbone preventing this stuff to be allowed to happen in W.A racing. Fair dinkum disgrace.

There not stablemates so how is that team riding ?? Zarantz fired up and Smithy let it roll simple as that and Pike was stalking he was always going to ride Dark Alert more handy to keep it switched on in the run , team riding lol lol

Zarantz trained by Peters trainer. Ridden by Peters jockey. Winner owned by Peters.
But not stablemates, Drongo.!!!
Like the trot analogy Sonny.
The way the favourite was handed the lead leaving the straight, only to have the horse that gave up the lead immediately peel out to sit outside the leader was reminiscent of most races at GP on a Friday night. Lol

carey · April 2017

numbers done, and video watched as matter of interest.

my opinion after that, and seeing that material man was forced to work much much much much more than in the bunbury cup, is that ........

zarantz rider intent, in MY opinion, was to hurt the leader, but of course that means hurting itself too.

was it team riding????
i don't know, but it is perfectly understandable that people could interpret it that way.

jum · April 2017

Chances are not hurt if Parnham Restrains and takes a sit though. Poor rides from both jocks in a 7 horse field

hash · April 2017

Chelsea said:
Must be our turn today

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sonny · April 2017

May be so Jum, Are they not W.A 's better jockeys??

detonator · April 2017

Parnham rode a great race on the Peters oaks winner the other day.

carey · April 2017

jum said:
Chances are not hurt if Parnham Restrains and takes a sit though. Poor rides from both jocks in a 7 horse field

doubt parham could have done anything, because it would still have been pressured all the way with that one sitting at its girth.
not to mention that material man was obviously overracing, anyway.
maybe he went a bit too hard to get lead in the first instance(and cause of overracing?), but i am sure he would not have expected what zarantz rider did.
parnam maybe not the best, but i don't doubt his intent was to win
i don't doubt smith's intent either!!!

Ridersonthestorm33 · April 2017

Agree Jum...Chris Parnham has been riding Material Man a treat and rate him big time as a hoop...however whereas at Bunbury he went to plan B when couldn't slot in and rode a heady race in front this time it was all eggs in one basket by holding the lead...but also agree with Carey...Zarantz in destroying Material Man also finished itself off and why would you do that ?
The other argument though is why should the hot favourite get it easy in front ? The race becomes a procession and ho hum Material Man gets left alone and probably wins.
See both sides of the coin on this one.

The_Real_Peterman · April 2017

If you think the Pinjarra Cup was bad, this, surely, was worse? Race 4(1800m) Stewards report says his foot 'slipped' out of the irons. I don't know why he was shifting his weight anyway. There looked to be a huge gap to push through if he wanted it. He was actually avoiding it and likely to run onto the heels of the horse to his outside. Horse was best backed $6-$4

OUTSTRIP – Jockey R. McMahon advised that when he attempted to place pressure on his mount near the 300m his foot slipped from his near-side iron, resulting in him becoming unbalanced and falling. Jockey McMahon was examined by the ambulance officers and cleared of any apparent injury. Stewards advised R. McMahon provide a medical clearance and pass a concussion test prior to resuming race riding. A post race veterinary examination of OUTSTRIP failed to reveal any significant abnormalities.

http://www.racingqueensland.com.au/Thoroughbred/Racing-Calendar/Video-Replays/Race-Meeting-Videos/SCST/20170409

thefalcon · April 2017

who's the great looking bird in green with a canary on her head, Chelsea? ;)

detonator · April 2017

The_Real_Peterman said:
If you think the Pinjarra Cup was bad, this, surely, was worse? Race 4(1800m) Stewards report says his foot 'slipped' out of the irons. I don't know why he was shifting his weight anyway. There looked to be a huge gap to push through if he wanted it. He was actually avoiding it and likely to run onto the heels of the horse to his outside. Horse was best backed $6-$4

OUTSTRIP – Jockey R. McMahon advised that when he attempted to place pressure on his mount near the 300m his foot slipped from his near-side iron, resulting in him becoming unbalanced and falling. Jockey McMahon was examined by the ambulance officers and cleared of any apparent injury. Stewards advised R. McMahon provide a medical clearance and pass a concussion test prior to resuming race riding. A post race veterinary examination of OUTSTRIP failed to reveal any significant abnormalities.

http://www.racingqueensland.com.au/Thoroughbred/Racing-Calendar/Video-Replays/Race-Meeting-Videos/SCST/20170409

Geez ""Peters man". Going far and wide to try and find a comparable "dodgy ride"setup to the Pinjarra Cup.
Your assessment of the rider wasn't prepared to take the gap is ludicrous. I must have been watching another replay. He fell off without the horse moving one inch. The jock fell in the path of other horses and could have been seriously injured. He was on the well backed horse.
Gotta do better than that in trying to fabricate a suspect ride in order to take the focus off the Pinjarra Cup perceived team riding.

jum · April 2017

TUT TUT TUT boys.

You only have to go to Geraldton and look at the Nat The Fyfe ride to see "SUSPECT"

dungy · April 2017

detonator said:
Parnham rode a great race on the Peters oaks winner the other day.

You kidding ?? Very Tempring ?? was back in the ruck and running up assholes

dungy · April 2017

detonator said:

dungy said:

detonator said:

sonny said:
I thought team driving was only for the trots..

Worse case of team riding I have seen in a long time.
Both Zarantz and Dark Alert both ridden upside down compared to last runs.
Bob gets the result he was looking for.
The money on the winner was there for a reason.
Another example of the authorities lack of backbone preventing this stuff to be allowed to happen in W.A racing. Fair dinkum disgrace.

There not stablemates so how is that team riding ?? Zarantz fired up and Smithy let it roll simple as that and Pike was stalking he was always going to ride Dark Alert more handy to keep it switched on in the run , team riding lol lol

Zarantz trained by Peters trainer. Ridden by Peters jockey. Winner owned by Peters.
But not stablemates, Drongo.!!!
Like the trot analogy Sonny.
The way the favourite was handed the lead leaving the straight, only to have the horse that gave up the lead immediately peel out to sit outside the leader was reminiscent of most races at GP on a Friday night. Lol

Genius ,, hang on maybe not , agree didnt look great but are saying the rider of Zarantz got sorted to put pressure of MM ??? WELL ??

detonator · April 2017

dungy said:

detonator said:
Parnham rode a great race on the Peters oaks winner the other day.
You kidding ?? Very Tempring ?? was back in the ruck and running up assholes

On the Oaks winner. Winner of the Oaks. Dumbarse. Your just shitty that your love child Pike was runner up. But I have my theory on that race too.
I watched the Pinjarra Cup and watched Zarantz ridden completely different to the way it was ridden in the Bunbury Cup running second to the same horse. You cannot dispute that. The winner was ridden differently. You cannot dispute that. The steward elected to report on Glen Smiths ride. You cannot dispute that. Zarantz jockey is used by the Peters stable quite often. You can't dispute that.

paraletic · April 2017

My 2 cents, one can perceive a team riding outcome but only because Dark Alert won.

If another horse non related to the trainer won, i'm not sure this discussion would be happening.

The_Real_Peterman · April 2017

detonator said:

The_Real_Peterman said:
If you think the Pinjarra Cup was bad, this, surely, was worse? Race 4(1800m) Stewards report says his foot 'slipped' out of the irons. I don't know why he was shifting his weight anyway. There looked to be a huge gap to push through if he wanted it. He was actually avoiding it and likely to run onto the heels of the horse to his outside. Horse was best backed $6-$4

OUTSTRIP – Jockey R. McMahon advised that when he attempted to place pressure on his mount near the 300m his foot slipped from his near-side iron, resulting in him becoming unbalanced and falling. Jockey McMahon was examined by the ambulance officers and cleared of any apparent injury. Stewards advised R. McMahon provide a medical clearance and pass a concussion test prior to resuming race riding. A post race veterinary examination of OUTSTRIP failed to reveal any significant abnormalities.

http://www.racingqueensland.com.au/Thoroughbred/Racing-Calendar/Video-Replays/Race-Meeting-Videos/SCST/20170409

Geez ""Peters man". Going far and wide to try and find a comparable "dodgy ride"setup to the Pinjarra Cup.
Your assessment of the rider wasn't prepared to take the gap is ludicrous. I must have been watching another replay. He fell off without the horse moving one inch. The jock fell in the path of other horses and could have been seriously injured. He was on the well backed horse.
Gotta do better than that in trying to fabricate a suspect ride in order to take the focus off the Pinjarra Cup perceived team riding.

Usually their instinct is to hold on. You're right, the horse didn't move an inch so what caused him to fall? He rode for luck and he got it yet he couldn't stay on :-\"

detonator · April 2017

The_Real_Peterman said:

detonator said:

The_Real_Peterman said:
If you think the Pinjarra Cup was bad, this, surely, was worse? Race 4(1800m) Stewards report says his foot 'slipped' out of the irons. I don't know why he was shifting his weight anyway. There looked to be a huge gap to push through if he wanted it. He was actually avoiding it and likely to run onto the heels of the horse to his outside. Horse was best backed $6-$4

OUTSTRIP – Jockey R. McMahon advised that when he attempted to place pressure on his mount near the 300m his foot slipped from his near-side iron, resulting in him becoming unbalanced and falling. Jockey McMahon was examined by the ambulance officers and cleared of any apparent injury. Stewards advised R. McMahon provide a medical clearance and pass a concussion test prior to resuming race riding. A post race veterinary examination of OUTSTRIP failed to reveal any significant abnormalities.

http://www.racingqueensland.com.au/Thoroughbred/Racing-Calendar/Video-Replays/Race-Meeting-Videos/SCST/20170409

Geez ""Peters man". Going far and wide to try and find a comparable "dodgy ride"setup to the Pinjarra Cup.
Your assessment of the rider wasn't prepared to take the gap is ludicrous. I must have been watching another replay. He fell off without the horse moving one inch. The jock fell in the path of other horses and could have been seriously injured. He was on the well backed horse.
Gotta do better than that in trying to fabricate a suspect ride in order to take the focus off the Pinjarra Cup perceived team riding.
Usually their instinct is to hold on. You're right, the horse didn't move an inch so what caused him to fall? He rode for luck and he got it yet he couldn't stay on :-\"

Are you saying he fell off deliberately ?
If so he picked the wrong part of the race and he picked the wrong side of the horse to fall off.
Less chance of being hit by trailing horses when you are running last like he was for the majority of the race.
Sure you can find other dodgy examples though.
Leave Geraldton out though because we know that is a given.

Rodent · April 2017

I backed Dark Alert. I thought it was over the odds at $5 considering it met the fave 5kg better off for a 1.8L defeat 2 starts back when resuming from a let up. I dismissed the Bunbury Cup run due to the pace and the going (Soft 5). The Good 3 was much more up Dark Alert's alley.

That being said, I wouldn't be real happy with how the race panned out for the favourite. As soon as he led, he became vulnerable to being attacked. He had easily the best turn of foot and would have been better off riding it quiet. If they go slow, he outsprints them and if they go solid he can track them. I liked the horse but not the price.

The_Real_Peterman · April 2017

detonator said:

The_Real_Peterman said:

detonator said:

The_Real_Peterman said:
If you think the Pinjarra Cup was bad, this, surely, was worse? Race 4(1800m) Stewards report says his foot 'slipped' out of the irons. I don't know why he was shifting his weight anyway. There looked to be a huge gap to push through if he wanted it. He was actually avoiding it and likely to run onto the heels of the horse to his outside. Horse was best backed $6-$4

OUTSTRIP – Jockey R. McMahon advised that when he attempted to place pressure on his mount near the 300m his foot slipped from his near-side iron, resulting in him becoming unbalanced and falling. Jockey McMahon was examined by the ambulance officers and cleared of any apparent injury. Stewards advised R. McMahon provide a medical clearance and pass a concussion test prior to resuming race riding. A post race veterinary examination of OUTSTRIP failed to reveal any significant abnormalities.

http://www.racingqueensland.com.au/Thoroughbred/Racing-Calendar/Video-Replays/Race-Meeting-Videos/SCST/20170409

Geez ""Peters man". Going far and wide to try and find a comparable "dodgy ride"setup to the Pinjarra Cup.
Your assessment of the rider wasn't prepared to take the gap is ludicrous. I must have been watching another replay. He fell off without the horse moving one inch. The jock fell in the path of other horses and could have been seriously injured. He was on the well backed horse.
Gotta do better than that in trying to fabricate a suspect ride in order to take the focus off the Pinjarra Cup perceived team riding.
Usually their instinct is to hold on. You're right, the horse didn't move an inch so what caused him to fall? He rode for luck and he got it yet he couldn't stay on :-\"

Are you saying he fell off deliberately ?
If so he picked the wrong part of the race and he picked the wrong side of the horse to fall off.
Less chance of being hit by trailing horses when you are running last like he was for the majority of the race.
Sure you can find other dodgy examples though.
Leave Geraldton out though because we know that is a given.

I'm saying it didn't look good. He was back almost last-he's not going to look behind any more than he's going to deliberately run up the back of horse a la the notorious Astronomer incident. There was a wide open gap in front of him and he fell off and cited shifting his weight as the reason.

Thumper · April 2017

Stewards report states McGruddy fined for excessive whip use in race 1 on Kimbo's girl which was actually ridden by Knuckey. Does anybody know if it was McGruddy or Knuckey fined. I'm a tad curious given I was on the runner up in that race at long odds.

hash · April 2017

my guess would be Knuckey on Kimbo's Girl, from the 200 he didn't stop slapping until after the post

McGruddy on the winner used both whip and hand and heels from the 200 to the post

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