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meatpie · May 2022

Libs out to 3.75

SLIPPERGOLDEN · May 2022

Frankly my vote has been a non entity for 40 years as my best friend in same electorate votes the opposite.

Thankfully we have a democracy and a right to vote unlike certain other countries. We can also offer varying opinions on a forum such as this without any form of threat.

A sobering thought don't you think?

Notapuntas · May 2022

Markovina said:
Re- Climate Change - the best thing they could do - from politicians - is to highlight and emphasise to the primary school kids the importance of trees

Im a Garden fanatic - so apart from the visual beauty aspect of trees - they get rid of Carbon - they store it in their trunk - and if everyone planted 160 trees in their lifetime - that would get rid of 10 years of Carbon . That is why there is a worldwide campaign to have Peat free compost - because those Peat free bogs are also a tremendous storer of carbon - so dont dig them up

So the next time the govt give out a free voucher - give everyone a $50 voucher - which they must use at a garden centre to buy a couple of trees

And also at the same time give a giant kick up the **** to some property developers - some modern day architects - and people in general - who are obsessed with the house - its all about the house - and alot of times it is just showing off - they will build this ridiculous monster of a thing - which hugs the boundary of their block - 7 bedrooms 3 bathrooms - a powder room - a lift - a theatre room - just utter nonsense - and guess what no garden at all - all the trees have been ripped out and knocked over

You learn something new every day, never knew that about peat @markovina. The only point I've found interesting in this politics thread :))

carey · May 2022

curmudgeon · May 2022

Astute punter at the races

https://twitter.com/i/status/1525260769427963904

carey · May 2022

https://twitter.com/i/status/1525247570020564992

bookielover · May 2022

It looks pretty clear to me, anyway, that Labor will win the election. Or, to put it another way, the Liberal National Coalition, will not win enough seats to form

a Government.

What I don’t want to see, is a hung Parliament which would then see effectively, a Labor Greens Coalition Government. The Greens are nuts and if they get to have any say in any legislation, heaven help us.

I voted early and I voted for the Labor sitting member in my electorate, which, as a card carrying member of the Liberal Party, would seem an unusual thing to do.

I am, if nothing else, a realist and a pragmatist. The Liberal candidate cannot possibly win, but if preferences fall the right way, the Greens candidate could. So a vote for the Liberal candidate, would have, in my opinion, been a wasted vote.

As I said, I hope if Labor win, they have a clear majority in the lower house.

The Senate, on the other hand, is a different story all together, and I’m hoping that enough independents win to keep, as Don Chipp would say, the bastards honest.

carey · May 2022

thanks for the apology.

DECENT people say sorry, when they fug up, and i guess that's why you won't.

still an arsewipe is you.

JayJay · May 2022

The latest from ConMo, don't tell me he is not scraping the bottom of the barrel with this brainfade:

Old people get to sell their house for a massive profit and top up their super account, and young people, who haven't got much super anyway (women even less so), get to drain their super account to pay for an already overpriced house just as interest rates head off on an upward spiral. Every economist in the country says this will send already over inflated house prices sky high.

So, when the housing bubble bursts (as it inevitably must), the young people will be left with an asset worth way under what they paid for it, they walk away with no house and no super, and some well heeled parasite buys up all the foreclosed stock and rents it back to the homeless and broke for an exorbitant rental fee.

Yep, sounds like a plan Scott, every first home buyer assistance scheme in the history of first home buyer assistance schemes has produced one consistent outcome.....skyrocketing prices for first homes. Only an economic wunderkind could come up with this nonsensical desperate attempt to buy votes...and the result will be the elimination of the hopes of children and grand children of ever owning their own home. It has be totally befuddled how anyone could possibly vote for this shallow charlatan of a Prime Minister. And that's without detailing all the rorts identified above in that video.

SLIPPERGOLDEN · May 2022

JayJay did you not observe that Labor have adopted the same policy idea? They must also be scraping the bottom of the barrel then.

JayJay · May 2022

Indeed, it is a race to the bottom......just as awful as their support of the ridiculous tax cuts for those on over $200k per year but such is the power of wedge politics, and the influence of Murdoch's dreadful bias through monopoly ownership of media, and the subsequent employment of gas lighters and morons like Bolt, Murray and Credlin, that political expediency has reduced the electorate to considering the best of whats on offer. I can't and won't take seriously any leader who is a devout follower of Pentecostal Happy Clapping, speaking in tongues and all the other associated garbage and mistruths peddled by an organisation that is a medium to make millions for a select few leaders like "Pastors" Brian and Bobby Easton, or the dubious Mr Easton Snr....or the payment of $30 million for a 3 million dollar piece of land for a new airport....or Sports Rorts/Pork Barrelling that set new levels of straight out vote buying ...or car parks in swinging seats that were never requested....or Womans Changerooms that ended up as Swimming Pools in Marginal Electorates.....or thoroughly incompetent Energy Ministers, Aged Care Ministers, Environmental Ministers that promised millions to Great Barrier Reef Protectors that had not even been anything more than an office and a phonecall....or "Drought Envoys" that resulted in the former Deputy Prime Minister receiving $600k in unaudited payments.....Nah, Slip, this mob carry far too much baggage to ever be considered for re-election, no matter the short comings of the Opposition in making itself a small target. It really is time for a change and the loony parties like Clive, Pauline and many other right wing fringe groups just make stuff up that is unimplementable (freezing mortgages at 3%????) and are truly unbelievable.

JayJay · May 2022

By the way, I haven't actually seen the adoption by Labor of the "raid your Super Scheme" as announced by Morrison, so I hope what you have stated is true. They previously announced the shared equity scheme, which is totally different to Morrison's announcement in Brisbane.

Markovina · May 2022

My summation of things with about 1 week to go

The Liberals have just about chucked in the towel - like on Andrew Bolts show last week - Libs have got the smell of death - Paul Murray in yesterdays West - well it wouldnt be a bad election to lose and be in opposition - because times are going to be very tough . And they are friendless in the betting - nearly touched $4

My take - Albenese - i will give him one thing - he seems genuine - like he could be walking down the street even as PM - and kids - or people of any age - could say - how are you going Albo - so he has got the common touch which i like

My only concern is the World scene - youve got Russia v Ukraine - now you have got Finland and Sweden wanting to join NATO . And Finland and Russia have already had in their history - 2 shocking wars against each other already . In response to Finland and Sweden wanting to join NATO - Russian Defence minister allegedly said to that - we are feeling threatened - we might have to get out the Nuclear Weapons

Now you cant dismiss that - because no one would have thought Russia and Ukraine would be having this war

Plus we have got loose canons in our region - Phillipines are having an election - and believe it or not Marcos son is unbackable fave - and apparently got all the shocking traits of his father

I just think if that European war really explodes then i think Morrison is the safer bet - the 1st reason is simply being in office - he would have been briefed by all the Aust and World defence experts - and 2ndly i just think he would be alot stronger than Albo under those circumstances

However if there is no escalating drama on the war front - then i think Albo should be allright -

Precision1 · May 2022

JayJay said:
By the way, I haven't actually seen the adoption by Labor of the "raid your Super Scheme" as announced by Morrison, so I hope what you have stated is true. They previously announced the shared equity scheme, which is totally different to Morrison's announcement in Brisbane.

Despite it not being called raid your super scheme there’s an important word in there, and that’s your. It is your money, we all have worked to earn that super so why shouldn’t we be allowed to access it to help our future? If it gets a person into their own home years earlier than they otherwise would the lost super on retirement will be more than made up for in paying off a home loan for years rather than paying rent for 5 years which obviously has zero return on it.

curmudgeon · May 2022

It's a con job for dummies by the man who gets his advice from eagles.

The generous average figure for 30y/o super is $50 K

40% draw down is $20 K ....hardly going to kick the bank managers door down is it ?

Do the sums from there....and do take into account supply & price issues when looking for 10% deposit even.

Every financial advisor with any clout has poured scorn on this as a frantic panicked political desperation announcement ...as usual.

Been in power 9 years but 5 days before an election...Eureka....I've got it ..you are all saved sez Scummo

Really...are people that stupid ?

bookielover · May 2022

Carey

There are 8 Victorian Liberal members of the current coalition government. Greg Hunt is a ninth member but he’s not seeking re-election.

You could have picked any of the 8, but chose to pick the two who represent minority groups who have been the target of racism and vilification for centuries.

Having selected Frydenberg and Wilson, you then declare, that you are off to donate more money to the independents running against them, in order to ensure the demise of those two members.

Other than three posts on this thread, one about the difficulties that the winners will face in what is an uncertain future, one critical of your post, and one hoping that the Greens don’t have the balance of power. I have not posted my thoughts about the policies of either party or their leaders.

However, I have taken some time to read the posts of those that have, and all have one thing in common. They take the time to provide reasons as to why they believe as they do.

Had you, in your post, said, for example, I believe that Frydenberg needs to go because he didn’t do enough for especially small business, or the country, during Covid, and as far as Wilson is concerned, all he’s done is warm a seat in Parliament for 6 years and done sweet f.a. I may have wondered why in particular you happened to pick those two, but having stated your reasons, I wouldn’t have taken issue with you, just as I haven’t with many of the posts I have read. We are all entitled to our views, that’s what a healthy democracy is all about.

In fact, and I’m digressing a bit, what I have written above, is how I actually feel about the way they have performed. And I reckon wilson is 1/1000 on to lose his seat, and Frydenberg is around 4/5 to lose his.

You could have selected Michael Sukkar the deputy treasurer and housing minister, who has been a disaster and was involved in a scandal, or you could have said how pleased you were to see the back of Greg Hunt who is retiring, because you didn’t think he did enough as health minister during Covid. But you didn’t.

In fact, you could have had a go at all of them, after all, you would love to see them all lose their seats. But you didn’t.

And when I called you out on your post, instead of then taking the opportunity to present your reasons as to why you singled out the two you did, you went for the, how could I think of you in the way that I had, line.

It was easy. I’ve known and met blokes like you before, and I’ve seen firsthand what my future daughter-in-law who is Korean has had to cop from time to time.

I’m not going to waste my time denigrating you by calling you names. I don’t have to. Your post did that.

I can tell you though, that as long as your anal orifice is pointing to the ground, you will never get an apology from me.

Markovina · May 2022

It will be interesting how accurate the polling is

I saw former Labour Senator last week Stephen Conroy last week - and he doesnt think it is very accurate - they are using for the 1st time some system - i forget the name - its starts with an O - and he said it has got one USA one spot on and one hopelessly wrong

He gave the example of 2 very important seats in Tasmania - Bass and Bradden

One of them - where there is Lib sitting member but just - however Jackie Lambies mob ( with about 10% of the vote ) she is prefencing LIB in the seat - however the computer modelling mob have given the seat to Labour

The other Tassie seat is exactly opposite - Labour hold it just - Jackie ( with 18% of the vote ) she is preferencing Labour - however the computer model gives it to Liberals

He reckons there are holes galore in this new computer modelling system - and those preference deals are going to affect alot of seats

TheDiva · May 2022

Polling is like giddy up ratings… I can’t believe anyone takes any notice let alone pays money for it

carey · May 2022

thank you falcon, i expected better of you.

what your friend said is indefensible.

accusing me of being anti jew and anti gay, when I never said boo.

and diva you should have removed that post of BL on the 13th may.

because it accuses me of gay hate and race hate, when there was nothing of the kind.

TheDiva · May 2022

no it doesnt.

carey · May 2022

it certainly does.

it also makes it appear i said those things and i didn't

not to mention the adolph(sic) comment

so it looks like i know where you stand.

i thought you too were better than that too.

jum · May 2022

TheDiva said:
no it doesnt.

It does not accuse Carey of saying those things.

But it has been made to look like he did. It actually does say Carey Said : Blah blah blah______

Which he did not.

curmudgeon · May 2022

jum said:

TheDiva said:
no it doesnt.
It does not accuse Carey of saying those things.
But it has been made to look like he did. It actually does say Carey Said : Blah blah blah______
Which he did not.

Correct.

The blue box format is unwieldy at times & amongst others I have posted an error on occasion

however.....if I do post in error it is easy to point the error out in an additional post & clarify because

....it is also possible to post a "error" deliberately with the format if that is your intention & you are savvy enough with the system.

thefalcon · May 2022

do i dare to see a glimmer of hope?

JayJay · May 2022

Yes, latest polls favouring the government, regular occurrence in the last week unless the punters have their baseball bats out on the verandah.....and although they got them out the cupboard, they won't use them and the master marketer will survive in spite of everything?

savethegame · May 2022

curmudgeon said:

jum said:

TheDiva said:
no it doesnt.
It does not accuse Carey of saying those things.
But it has been made to look like he did. It actually does say Carey Said : Blah blah blah______
Which he did not.
Correct.
The blue box format is unwieldy at times & amongst others I have posted an error on occasion
however.....if I do post in error it is easy to point the error out in an additional post & clarify because
....it is also possible to post a "error" deliberately with the format if that is your intention & you are savvy enough with the system.

Have got caught in the blue box twice once was onto straight away didn't know how to get out ,with it saying Falcon said this Falcon said this it actually my writings.---done the same with post on bilxt regards Mainchild--- But I have A Computer Consession Card---Because put my Keyboard into get fixed up because I reckoned the O was upside down

Markovina · May 2022

thefalcon said:
do i dare to see a glimmer of hope?

Yeah but Falc - Albo has already booked his ticket for Tokyo this Sunday

Him and Wong are apparently flying to Tokyo this Sunday as PM and Foreign Minister - thats according to Albo

curmudgeon · May 2022

Markovina said:

thefalcon said:
do i dare to see a glimmer of hope?
Yeah but Falc - Albo has already booked his ticket for Tokyo this Sunday

Him and Wong are apparently flying to Tokyo this Sunday as PM and Foreign Minister - thats according to Albo

You like to say you are egalitarian & considered & fair minded Marko but when push comes to shove your true colours emerge & you pour scorn on people like a true blue conservative.

thefalcon · May 2022

jeez albo and wong on the international stage....no thankyou very much.

does not bear thinking about...he'll get on with sleepy joe, both micks, socialists.

Markovina · May 2022

curmudgeon said:

Markovina said:

thefalcon said:
do i dare to see a glimmer of hope?
Yeah but Falc - Albo has already booked his ticket for Tokyo this Sunday

Him and Wong are apparently flying to Tokyo this Sunday as PM and Foreign Minister - thats according to Albo
You like to say you are egalitarian & considered & fair minded Marko but when push comes to shove your true colours emerge & you pour scorn on people like a true blue conservative.

No not at all - and i havent got the block blinkers on - i havent been brainwashed either way

You take the housing/super policies of both parties - re a deposit on a house - both parties policies are stupid - anyone with any mathematical background would tell you that - but i havent got the block blinkers on . Tanya was asked - is it gross income or taxable income - and she had no idea !!!- both parties are purely trying to buy votes

As for Morrison i think he is a million times better than Turnbull - and i dont mind Sco Mo - 4% unemployment - lowest in 50 years - that gets a giant tick from me . Russia are thugs and bullies - and we will do everything to help/support Ukraine - that gets a giant tick from me

G'day Punter!

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