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JayJay · December 2020

STG, re Yardon...won a Bunbury Cup 1968 beating dust Bin and Smackerola rating 2.7.5, 2nd in a Country Derby to the handy Dainty's Daughter plus a host of metro wins.

Markovina · December 2020

savethegame said:
Jay Jay putting names together who raced golden mile 65-70. Would finish up a nice field. MOUNT EDEN,--- RADIANTORO,---- DAINTYS DAUGHTER----, PYRAMUS---, THE ROGUE----- LOU TRAVIS---- ARDCLIFFE----BRONZE WHALER--- CHIEF ATTAIN.

Only names to me NAT KING, TORS CRAIG- YARDON,--- GLANCEWAY.--- SHERINA-- ---SILVER LODE

See JIM SCHRADER had a couple that started on easy marks did they go anywhere LITTLE JOKER---,DRANOEL.

Radiantoro - that name rings a bell - did it go over East at one stage

In that era 60/70s - there was a top horse Radiant something

savethegame · December 2020

JayJay said:
Nice field.....could probably put Raider Adios in there as well, he time trialled up there and set the state mark...2.00 minutes flat from memory.

In the "only names" department.......Nat King was going to be a super star for Coulson but unfortunately he died. I am talking a serious horse here and imposing,looked like a good horse, pulled off a big plunge up there...had very few starts, I think McNamaras bred him but Phil had an enormous opinion of him.

Tors Crag was a giant, around 18 hands for H.P "Pinky" Hayes....he did win in Perth but only blocking, you had to fuel up to get around him. Had a heart as big as a pea. Yardon was one of John Maxwell Retzlaffs, very good horse, pitch black, won either a Country Derby and or a WA Derby.....I have black vinyl recordings of a host of his other wins, I'll check, maybe a Bunbury Cup as well. Glanceaway...hmmm ...testing me, I think one of Jack Miles...by the sire of Daintys, Scotts Way. Sherina went alright, by Kellett, think Burglar Bob had her and Silver Lode a very good Coulson horse, won a pile of races including during the 1967 Inters Series that Binshaw won. There was a heat and final series for good money for horses that were not on a tight enough mark for the Inters and I think he won bot the heat and the final. Owned by one of the Hayes.
Both Little Joker and Dranoel both progressed to multiple city wins ....Little Joker definitely with Jimmy but I think Dranoel ended up with someone else, maybe Lyle Lindau? Best I can do, a fair way back.

Thanks Jay Jay -- Sure Raider Adios makes ten-----two to go for 12. will leave the last two spots until we see what i have missed.going back through articles for that period.

Since found extra snippets. Alf Dunn wrote articles for the feature gallop races over the round,for kalg miner. not 100% regards the trots no name attached to harness articles a chance it was Milton Cairnduff.

'''If the local 1966 carnival has produced an Interdominion prospect. It could be the four-yearold --Scotch Dillon horse Nat King who completed a double ' ''Don Wegner. first win at a round was Golden Mile Cup.1967.Don was a consistent supporter for number years prior,--he was leading driver great southern circuit 1966. think his still in industry?

Schrader drove Silver Lode--trained by G.Gilmour.--bunbury when it won hannans cup. Phil probably got it later---Pyramus was driven by F.Hough did some-else have it before the rifleman.

savethegame · December 2020

Marko Radiant Oro (the mighty atom) has been written raced in a period when so many top class horses, were around the clashes with daintys daughter legendary ---He won two pacing cups. he clashed with daintys daughter for four years who at the time was a world record holder.

Some records have him winning 30 races 24 at g.p.----have got him winnning from article in stringers statistics winning 32? and his career was still in progress 15/1/71. at that time he was leading 11-10 in the clashes with D.D.

JayJay · December 2020

STG, you had better start putting together a consolation race for past Kalgoorlie high level performers. They kept changing the names of their feature races over the years and so, it is hard to research but here is a few more (top enders)to consider:

"Golden Mile Cup" winners include Royal Wrack, Park Royale, Chapel Lodge and Just Mick

"Mount Eden Mile" - Atomic Cruiser,Butler Brydon and Riwaka Vance

"Hannans Cup" - Bernbon, Dale Cliffe, Baldavis and Bonnvale Boy

"Kalgoorlie Cup" - Valley Champ, Another Party, Three Half Whites and Riwaka Vance.

"Goldfields Easter Cup" - one for GTC here, Murella Lad x 2

And with a stroke of a pen, the decision makers consigned trotting in the Goldfields to the dustbin in an unconscionable decision....shame on them.

curmudgeon · December 2020

The iconic spiritual leader at the GMTC in terms of annual round races was the Allan & Brimage Cup

JayJay · December 2020

Yep, notable winners from the past of the A and B Cup:

Edward Adios, Ell Boom, Lou Travis, Big Venture, Ardcliffe, Nightland, Just Mick, Grand Patton and Park Royale.

getthechange · December 2020

JayJay said:
STG, you had better start putting together a consolation race for past Kalgoorlie high level performers. They kept changing the names of their feature races over the years and so, it is hard to research but here is a few more (top enders)to consider:

"Golden Mile Cup" winners include Royal Wrack, Park Royale, Chapel Lodge and Just Mick

"Mount Eden Mile" - Atomic Cruiser,Butler Brydon and Riwaka Vance

"Hannans Cup" - Bernbon, Dale Cliffe, Baldavis and Bonnvale Boy

"Kalgoorlie Cup" - Valley Champ, Another Party, Three Half Whites and Riwaka Vance.

"Goldfields Easter Cup" - one for GTC here, Murella Lad x 2

And with a stroke of a pen, the decision makers consigned trotting in the Goldfields to the dustbin in an unconscionable decision....shame on them.

murella lad trained in goldfields I think by herb softley before transferring to my father - great race manners but vicious stallion around the stables that I wasn`t allowed near - very good horse as can be seen by the cuttings(back when we got coverage by the newspapers)

JayJay · December 2020

Wonderful scrap book memories....I was hopeful you might see the prompt and post some Murella Lad stories. My Dad recalled Murella Lad... both as a very good horse and also as one that gave him a nip one night at a presentation trackside. Hows some of the qualifiers for the Xmas Handicap....Pythagoras, Bin Oro, Mercedes and Eaton Hall....and take note programmers.....heats and finals for the Christmas Gift and the Christmas Handicap....and guess what, there was newspaper coverage (and no doubt public interest) but no, we just plod on in mediocrity. That $50k race tonight could have been built up as really something if Too Fast Too Serious, Patronus Star and others had to qualify through heats. Blindingly obvious.

curmudgeon · December 2020

Herb Softley was a master farrier. He used to drive around Kalgoorlie clients stables, dress up horses feet, trace outlines of the dressed up feet on cardboard and go home to Hanbury St to shape shoes on his forge and anvil out of water pipeline hoop iron. They lasted forever. He used to return the next day and put them on.

He had an old red vacuum cleaner reversed to blow air through the forge and his wife would come outside to be his striker when the hot shoes needed shaping.

Herbs stables were like long kennels under the peppercorn tree....cool and sheltered.

I worked with and drove a few times for his eldest son John who left Kal and was an early Byford resident. John had a couple of very nice horses at times...Vita Patris who was an outstanding Leyoro stallion that won a Sires from memory and little Padraig who was a tiny warrior that made FFA after also winning a Sires final. also a nice filly called Phrynie. John did his apprenticeship as a boilermaker /welder on the mines in Kal ....I reckon he had the best horse wateres ever made....he knocked them up out of the stainless steel insides of 5 gallon kegs. I remember Murella Lad going around in Kalgoorlie. Around the time of a decent mare Ivan Tiller had called Cressello.

Markovina · December 2020

Just a few highlights from Frid/Sat nights racing

Down in Tassie ( i love the Tasmanian harness racing - being a former resident their for a few years of course )

But Sat night at Lonnie -they had the final - 30k race - Tassie Golden Apple - this ticks a few boxes - standing start race - they had heats previous week - you had to qualify - and you had the 2 local champs Ignatius and Ryley Major - but they both failed narrowly to make up the 30metre handicap - very well handicapped race that

Race 3 is worth a watch - very exciting - dont look up the result before you watch the replay ( otherwise you will spoil it ) but keep an eye on the pole horse - in the yellow colours - its the $1.30 fave

And well done to Ben Yole - ive been waiting for Ben to do this - Frid night - Race 5 at Burnie Trots - he trained the trifecta - - but he also trained 4th to 10th - he had all 10 runners - hah - that would have to be a 1st

Now over to Albion Park Sat night - also love the Qld harness racing

The big race - the Xmas Cup ( with Colt Thirty One the $1.12 fave - and got beat - thrilling finish - in sensational time )

However i have to make comment about Pete McMullen - who is a champion young driver - and i think when Im The Mighty Quinn raced in Qld - Hall Snr entrusted him with the drive - and rightfully so because normally he is a tremendous driver

However what he did ( driving the 125-1 pop King Of The Stars ) well when i watched the race - i thought what inexperienced mug is driving this - i thought maybe the reins have snapped on the horse - and the horse who got shoved 4 wide with a couple of laps to go - ran a terrific race finishing 6th getting beat 20 metres)

The stewards queried the drive - unacceptable drive - and have suspended him ( dont know the penalty ) but i would give him 12-16 weeks - you cant do that - and ruin other horses chances including his own

tony · December 2020

3 weeks for McMullen

JayJay · December 2020

curmudgeon said:
I remember Murella Lad going around in Kalgoorlie. Around the time of a decent mare Ivan Tiller had called Cressello.

Cressello was bit later I think Noel....she was a 1965 foal, Murella Lad a 1957 drop. I remember Cressello well......Ivan had a close relationship with Laurie Robinson and she came to Perth and won a number of metro races, in pretty fast time as well. Good mare...by Mondello, who although not very fashionable, sired some very good horses.....Banca probably best known for Fred Godecke but also Monopal, Lady Mondello (maybe with Jimmy Boland?), Deep Shade but perhaps the best of them all was a giant "phar lap" lookalike with terrible legs called Red Monaro. He was a horse with extraordinary ability but kept breaking down. Such an impressive looker that he remains firmly in my mind.

Ivan used to take a lot of Laurie's horses for their early racing around the North Eastern districts....Each Way, Yelta, King Armbro and many others that Harry Bele bred and Laurie trained, most by the under utilised super sire Admiral Way.

Markovina · December 2020

tony said:
3 weeks for McMullen

Ridiculously light penalty for what he did in a big race

You can 2 weeks for minimal interference in a nondescript country race - to me he has come out and pushed that thing 4 wide just short of 2 laps to go - i mean what penalty does that deserve itself - and then considering he is driving a 125-1 pop - goes up with plenty of venom - to try to get death seat position from the $1.12 favourite - as if Dixon was going to hand up to that horse

In this era of soft penalties - i think 6 weeks minimum was the starting point

savethegame · December 2020

JayJay said:
STG, you had better start putting together a consolation race for past Kalgoorlie high level performers. They kept changing the names of their feature races over the years and so, it is hard to research but here is a few more (top enders)to consider:

"Golden Mile Cup" winners include Royal Wrack, Park Royale, Chapel Lodge and Just Mick

"Mount Eden Mile" - Atomic Cruiser,Butler Brydon and Riwaka Vance

"Hannans Cup" - Bernbon, Dale Cliffe, Baldavis and Bonnvale Boy

"Kalgoorlie Cup" - Valley Champ, Another Party, Three Half Whites and Riwaka Vance.

"Goldfields Easter Cup" - one for GTC here, Murella Lad x 2

And with a stroke of a pen, the decision makers consigned trotting in the Goldfields to the dustbin in an unconscionable decision....shame on them.

No doubt about the number of top horses that raced at G.M.---Jay Jay ---was just trying to sort 65-70 bracket ---Yankee Rhythm was a topliner who raced there early seventies--he was in a miracle mile.2nd in pacing cup plus won a-heat consolation of inters, set track record at harvey have to double check think Zaruma. raced at G.M.

The Cups and name changes over the years---Caris, Cummins, Mcbride F.FA----Golden Mile cup---Allen &Brimage & Hannans Cup etc.

When the Hannans Cup was won by Daintys Daughter. they had two fields same night,the winner of the actual cup was decided on time,. Lou Travis won the second division which they ran first---- his mile rate 2.10.1/2. exactly the same as Daintys Daughter,2.10.1/2. but D.D. ran the trip a quarter second quicker then Lou Travis, so she won the trophy.

Allen Brimage Cup in fifties. had 5 horses heavily backed,the story i was told. Mountain Peak 10s into 2/1.---then they backed---- Sceptic,----Dandy Note----,Bedouin Prince,--Dainty Lee, by start time ---Mountain Peak was back out to 10/1.

MOUNTAIN PEAK won.(johnson.) 2nd BEDOUIN PRINCE buswell------3rd PHIL ORO whitfield

others in the field were LA PALOMA.jones----ELLA MINT mcleod. LORD PIC. grant. JUST NELSON. leslie. DIXIE MAVISTA fisher WALKAWAY cartledge. FREDETTA botica.

it was 2.30 & better.

From that field was lead to believe-- three finished up . in fast class.?

Reckon the handicapper. has problems now.... Trying to work out what they called lifts in your assessment going to Kalg horses from metro got a 5 second lift. 2.25-2.30. Provided kalgoorlie new horses papers were changed & the horse was in kalg, two months prior to season the lift was seven seconds--but a horse who took advantage of the seven second lift couldn't go back and race in metro area for 12 months. .

JayJay · December 2020

We don't have a handicapper any more, in my opinion, one of the worst decisions for harness racing ever instigated by RWWA (or whoever made the call) to make the position redundant. I read about the "lifts" some time back, used as incentive to get horses up there for the round. Incentives starting to be used again by clubs...Wagin and Busselton .....and Westbred incentives in general terms ...but the simple solution to such problems in recent times has been to shut the doors, as talked about often on here....so many clubs gone, never to re-open....ever....not even for a couple of shows a year. And they wonder why and where the regional base of trot followers has gone.

savethegame · December 2020

Story involving Legend & Life member of G.M.T.C. Herb Softley & probably the most attention to detail horseman i have seen John Stacey.

John was clerk at trots & gallops as was his father, plus a galloping trainer. Stacey got a mdn. mare, Herb couldn't get one back shoe on her, Herb said she has to be hurting in hind/quarters, they,decided to bleed her,hesian steaming her backend,and antiphlogistine poultices,after a week it came to head and yellow core came out, from that day on she improved outta sight and won the Hannans HCP. that year. . Vornette 1980 outside gate, with dashing dan miller.

JayJay · December 2020

STG "When the Hannans Cup was won by Daintys Daughter. they had two fields
same night,the winner of the actual cup was decided on time,. Lou Travis
won the second division which they ran first---- his mile rate
2.10.1/2. exactly the same as Daintys Daughter,2.10.1/2. but D.D. ran
the trip a quarter second quicker then Lou Travis, so she won the
trophy."

Lou Travis was out of Lou Collette who was a sister to Alva Oro, dam of Radiant Oro. Francis Wade bred all those horses.

freodockers · December 2020

Good story STG had a similar problem with a horse in Kal.
Lash out as soon as he knew the shoe was going on.
Got his hocks done different horse from then on.

savethegame · December 2020

Jay Jay there was a trainer from bunbury who old timers said was very sharp wonder was he,before your time Bailey was his surname.

JayJay · December 2020

Doesn't ring any bells STG...maybe a relation of Kevin Bailey? Just guessing really.

curmudgeon · December 2020

savethegame said:
Story involving Legend & Life member of G.M.T.C. Herb Softley & probably the most attention to detail horseman i have seen John Stacey.

John was clerk at trots & gallops as was his father, plus a galloping trainer. Stacey got a mdn. mare, Herb couldn't get one back shoe on her, Herb said she has to be hurting in hind/quarters, they,decided to bleed her,hesian steaming her backend,and antiphlogistine poultices,after a week it came to head and yellow core came out, from that day on she improved outta sight and won the Hannans HCP. that year. . Vornette 1980 outside gate, with dashing dan miller.

Was talking to the bloke who bred Vornette last sat night at the Jennacubbine Tavern of all places.

Chariotsonfire · December 2020

savethegame said:
Jay Jay there was a trainer from bunbury who old timers said was very sharp wonder was he,before your time Bailey was his surname.

I can remember my father mentioning a Bailey from the 40s/50s era.

Definitely no relation to Kevin as he heralded from Queensland.

Chariotsonfire · December 2020

In that long gone era when Kalgoorlie was flying we should remember that they kicked off the new season after Gloucester Park went into hibernation for 5-6 weeks at the end of winter..

Nearly all of the major stables programmed their horses to resume at Kalgoorlie.

freodockers · December 2020

Should reintroduce it Chariots shift it to Pinjarra but retain the Monday slot.
Give GP a break during winter and give me the Friday night slot to country clubs.

Cant_Refuse · December 2020

freodockers said:
Should reintroduce it Chariots shift it to Pinjarra but retain the Monday slot.
Give GP a break during winter and give me the Friday night slot to country clubs.

Would also allow the GP track curator to sleep better knowing there’s 12 less meetings he can flood out

savethegame · December 2020

L.G.Bailey found a couple articles,relating to him.One invovling him having his horse prince balkis,beaten favourite twice ,and the crowd surrounding the adminstration block, his horse was removed from all engagements from the upcoming round,crowd dispersed thinking he had been disqualified.

Another article nelson son won on bunbury cup night ,after he had comeback from one month Bailey,and was told he had to drive it in future engagements because of its improved performance.

Noticed the article mentioned Bedioun Prince had won the bunbury cup& harvey cup in that week, one of the horses that had been backed in the mountain peak race.

What i was told he was a law unto his own, these articles,just proves a little what i was told.

savethegame · December 2020

Strong Black Duck knowledge in this harness site, Just on trying to locate different harness horses 65-70, came across article when Barry Cable won his second Sandover Medal 68 won in (64), beating Bill Walker by a vote ,with the article saying cable had finished second to walker the previous three years 65,66,67,beaten by a vote, but further in article has walker& parkinson tied 67. Talk about RADIANT ORO & DAINTYS DAUGHTER. clashes.

Did Billy Walker play for Leonora or gwalia.?

JayJay · December 2020

I think Narembeen Bill ended up sharing his medal with Buzz Parkinson after they made a retrospective decision to get rid of the countback system and award two medals if there was a tie.

Markovina · December 2020

Chariotsonfire said:
In that long gone era when Kalgoorlie was flying we should remember that they kicked off the new season after Gloucester Park went into hibernation for 5-6 weeks at the end of winter..

Nearly all of the major stables programmed their horses to resume at Kalgoorlie.

Interesting point that- which i wasnt aware of

I would like to see Kalgoorlie Trots back in action

However if you look at what has happened over east - NSW and Vic - when long standing tracks got closed - their had to be that local interest - and they bypassed someone like Richard Burt and went straight to their state member - made a big issue of it - fabric of the town - history - whole lot and got something done

To me what happened to Kal - their was vey little local interest in my opinion - and the track got closed and stays closed

You have to have that fanatical interest - they could have mentioned all the great pacers who have raced their - they could have made a huge public issue out of it and RAWA or whatever they are called would have buckled - but to me they didnt have that fanatical interest

G'day Punter!

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